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Need some serious advice...

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by appliedscience, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. appliedscience

    appliedscience Regular Member

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    Hey guys, I'm needing some serious advice right now... I thought I was doing everything RIGHT with my SEO, but suddenly I've gone from making progress on Page #1 (ranking around 6-7), to being last on page #3.

    I'm wanting to rank my sales page - one page.

    I know Google wants sites that update regularly, so for the past 3months I have updated the site with a post twice a week. Slight catch, I'm aiming NOT to index these pages for any of my main keywords because I don't want any of these posts being a double listing etc because they will reduce sales (taking away from my sales page). So in NOT indexing for main keywords, there are no keywords or internal linking on these actual pages - just content (quality), but the pages themselves are index, follow. I also schedule these posts which I can't see being an issue (two posts a week), my site is obviously WP.

    As soon as I did the above my rankings went up, I was stuck in position #10 for MONTHS until I did the above and I went from #9, to #8 to #7 - now, page3!

    Outside of updating my site I'm getting backinks - no BH stuff, every time I do a BH technique my site drops almost instantly, I don't do it, I'm all WH and with good results. I get regular backlinks from FB and niche specific websites in the content of the site as well as in comments. I also have several thousand recognised backlinks by Google and a 4yr old domain (nearly 5).

    Ok, so why the sudden drop... one thing I noticed in addition to my 'new' ranking is pretty much ALL of the domains ranking for this main keyword I'm referring too have changed. Like Google decided to update the sites for this keyword all of a sudden, the site that was #1 is now #7, #1 was a site that was #8 and not only that but they have a powerful listing (similar to if you searched 'black hat world' and you have 6 additional listings for internal pages sitting under the first result).

    What the change was I don't know, but I thought I was doing what Google wanted to see..

    1. WP site
    2. Updated regularly
    3. Legit backlinks from niche specific sites, comments and high PR sites

    I don't know what change I can make now. Keep in mind this is 3months of updating my site regularly - I have obviously not met with some Google criteria and is why with this change for my main keyword I have dropped while every domain has changed placement on page #1. Not only am I stuggling with my main keyword but almost everything BUT my domain specific keyword... should I change my sales copy? It is keyword rich and on-site optimisation (coding wise and keyword density) is very strong (using thesis theme to give you an idea).

    I need some serious help here guys, I need to rank my sales page. What am I missing??
     
  2. bertbaby

    bertbaby Elite Member

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    What's your competition up to? How many backlinks do they have? Time to get off the white hat approach and start a blackhat campaign!
     
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  3. M1ndfluX

    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Wp sites dont do shit for me atm...

    Im ranking 2/3 page sites selling shit with all the same txt and shit as they were and they all are pushing it to the limit, meaning i am getting shitloads of traffic post panda.

    Meaning: New content? nah...

    Sure the sites are top notch onsite seo meaning the whole <b> <h1> <h2> bs and so on... but i never blasted these sites with sb.

    I check up on my niche 3/4 times a day and they only winners i see is when i see a competing site rising with just plain directory submissions, and i am talking about 350k exact a month...

    I dominate my niche in the full and sure i have tried wp sites and the whole shabam but from my point of view is that wp sites have been slapped hard this year.
    But, again i am no wp guru, i am just looking at the results in a year.

    Some advice recording homepage:

    No plain amazon/cb/affiliate/shortner urls...
    No intext 'click here' or 'buy now' GFX ONLY!
    1 <h1> my keyword is great text
    1 <h2> my keyword
    1 <I> my keyword
    2<b> keywords in your homepage

    Minimum in keywords regarding text!

    Stuff your kw in your metas (BING LOVES EM!) and description and i am sure you can rank page 1 >50k easely with just edu and wiki links on G...

    I may be old school but i rank for a free sex blah bla 250k+ exact 3month old site #3 this way.

    My 2 pesos :)
     
  4. appliedscience

    appliedscience Regular Member

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    Interesting comment in regards to the 'buy now' wording, obviously as a landing page for a long sales copy I have call to actions in this regard, I didn't think it would affect my SEO however, I know that it would affect my Adwords but not SEO rankings. Are there other words that could be affecting my SEO in addition to 'buy now'?

    In regards to my competition, every site that's on the homepage for my main keyword has a WordPress blog that is updated regularly, considering they are all ranking on the first page I can only imagine that Google is wanting that type of website. This approach may be different depending on what you are ranking for, I did see an improvement when I updated my website regularly, my concern now is the drop that I've suffered and how to get out of that and what actions to take.

    My main competitor (ranking #1) has more backlinks than me, however not a crazy amount, some sites on page #1 have a few thousand less backlinks than me. The only thing I would consider is that these sites are slowly generating more backlinks on a daily basis than I am, but I'm not sure how I can test the daily backlinking campaign of competitors, I can only see the overall results.

    I have websites that don't have any backlinks, have solid on-site SEO, are a WordPress website and have a few articles on them out rank websites that have the keywords in the domain and have thousands of backlinks. I honestly think there is diversity depending on the keywords and the competition in how Google is ranking for different websites and search terms.

    I appreciate the advice to get more backlinks and to do BH, but as I mentioned every time I do any kind of 'blast' my rankings plummet, and that is EVERY time. I need to listen to this, I'm not going to start putting myself in a situation that I know is going to result in my domain not being able to rank for my main keyword for several months. I've learned my lessons (yes, lessons..) and am not stupid enough to do it again.

    I'm just trying to be as natural as possible after panda, I had the majority of my backlinks from article marketing and when panda hit I lost my rankings big time, this didn't apply to every single website out there that focused highly on article marketing backlinks, some people would still achieve number one rankings for competitive terms purely by doing article backlinks, but possibly for my type of site or possibly when balanced with what my competition is doing and how my site looks in contrast to theirs, Google didn't care too much for them. When I started updating my website regularly and focusing on niche specific backlinks from blogs, and backlinks from Facebook and comments, this is when I got my rankings back.

    I'm trying to understand how I can do what Google wants me to do. So many people get solid results doing xrummer and senuke blasts, getting hundreds of edu and .gov backlinks within a week, I can honestly tell you that every single time, EVERY TIME, I ever do anything like this I'm almost sandboxed completely by Google. I know that people get good results doing this, in fact I have other sites that are ranking well and all I have done is a couple of senuke blasts on a good on site optimized webpage, but it's not working for this particular site that's in question right now. And obviously, the backlinking I'm doing right now in addition to updating my site twice a week which I think is a lot more regular than a lot of my competition, it's not doing me any favors.

    And you know, I have other sites that I do minimal backlinking on (minimal being a few directory backlinks). Within two months I have taken a website from being completely nowhere for a very competitive keyword, to being #2 right now, simply by making the site WP with solid on-site SEO and updating once a week with a article post.

    See, I get results doing these things on other domains, can I just not rank a one-page sales copy anymore? Maybe, but right now I see a one-page sales copy of my competitors ranking on the first page for my main keyword, it's not #1, but it's a lot better than me.

    Please help guys, I really need some more specific advice here, please don't tell me just to do and senuke blast or something like that, I kind of need some specific advice to my situation because I'm not a complete noob (but unfortunately not a guru), I'm just seriously struggling with this one particular site.
     
  5. appliedscience

    appliedscience Regular Member

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    Anyone?? :(
     
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    You have to add new content and also add more backlinks to high PR sites.
     
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  7. Sacrilege

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    It's hard to make a judgement without knowing your niche. Constantly updated content may or may not be the way to go, depending on the volatility of your keyword. What I mean is this: if you have a site about say, George Washington - he's been dead for over 200 years. Your article could be 15 years old and still be very relevant. However, a 15 year old article about Barack Obama is not very relevant.

    Constant updating for the sake of constant updating is not advisable. It can spread your content too thin and look an awful lot like spamdexing. Updates only matter if the topic is constantly evolving.
     
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