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Need some more info on Botnet, PPI, etc.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by SlappinDaBees, May 29, 2014.

  1. SlappinDaBees

    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    Hi all,

    As some of you may be aware since a couple of months I started monetizing all my download traffic with PPI. I've come to a point where I'm almost getting 5k start installs per day (peanuts for some, I know) which brings in some nice monkies. But a couple of days ago I was browsing the net and came across a couple of articles claiming PPI networks (and thus their affiliates) are big distributors of malware that turns PCs into bitmining botnet zombies. I'd like to get in touch with people who can explain me a little more about this, possibly have first hand experience and so on.. obviously if all these claims are true the moral/ethical dilemma becomes bigger for me and I might consider changing monetization. I honestly thought all PPI networks where spreading were harmless toolbars and stuff?

    Just imagine.. I could be growing someones botnet by 150k zombies per month?!
     
  2. ORM

    ORM Power Member

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    Well, PPI networks also need to earn, somehow :) Don't think all of them are that evil to go botnet route but some of them defo are. I have tried running .setups from both Rev&Amonetize in a sandboxed environment and did not notice any suspicious activity, processes or resource usage etc. Seems like all they bundle is adware.
     
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  3. lord1027

    lord1027 Elite Member

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    I don't think they do this either, at least not the ones I've tried. If you don't want to risk, go for advertisers that install toolbars or stuff like that.
     
  4. lietuvis002

    lietuvis002 BANNED BANNED

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    Don't do Botnet, it's illegal as a shit. I've PMed you though.
     
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  5. SlappinDaBees

    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    did you test this with one .exe launch or multiple? because from what i understand its very likely you'll get different promotions since there are multiple advertisers

    i do have to admit the more i read about this stuff, the more it interests me. its the whole concept and technical stuff that goes behind it that fascinates me eventhough i know 0 about coding, programming and that stuff

    lietuvis i'll answer your pm shortly. thanks
     
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  6. arganrecords

    arganrecords Elite Member

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    I've the same "etical problem". I've used a provider to get PPI campaigns but this softwares are adware (in the best o cases). In fact I'm seriously thinking about botnets use for this softwares. If you think few minutes: how botnets can get zombie Pc? Only with this method or spamming virus, this can be identified, but if they call it adware it's easy to get new PC as zombie.
     
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  7. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    You're right. Many PPI networks bundle in miners and infect your computers with RATs. It's understandable really, RATs are much more profitable for them. Imagine getting one install of a Poker Game and you get paid a $1. For the example, let's say they get $1 profit. Whereas they could pay you $1 to install a RAT that will allow them to install as many .exes as they like and all they have to pay for is the first install that you provided them with.

    Miners are not as profitable because it's hit and miss whether the victim's computer will be good enough to provide enough mining power but it still provides revenue up until the minute the victim manages to uninstall it, if they ever do.
     
  8. lietuvis002

    lietuvis002 BANNED BANNED

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    OP, add me on skype: ewaldas1232 . I'll go out soon, we can have it started in 20 mins. :)

    @Agran, I 100% agree with you.
     
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  9. nantoli10

    nantoli10 Regular Member

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    I have some knowledge on both these topics, first hand. PM me you skype/jabber if you wnat to discuss.