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Need some career advice- Wanting a uni degree that can help me with web based business*

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by blackboxer, Sep 25, 2010.

  1. blackboxer

    blackboxer Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hi everyone, following suit of ottos thread I decided to start a thread and wanting some advice from some of the more knowledgeable/experienced members of this fine forum.
    Like otto , I will always do IM but I view that as more of a avenue on the side instead of one that is taking priority for the goals in my life.

    Like everyone, I would like to work for my self one day running my own business, but before that I would like to harness the experience and knowledge that only a workplace could bring.

    Basically
    Im looking at doing a bachelor of business information systems, but to me that kind of feels like a 'jack of all trades, but a master of none'. Career outcomes say online content specialist, e marketing and communications consultant or manager of computer based information systems within an organisation..

    Im also looking at doing a business/marketing degree but was wondering how well would that integrate into the modern 'web technology based businesses' in todays world which is what I would preferably want to get into down the track, as web technologies and innovation is what fascinates me the most.
    If anyone here currently works in any of the positions mentioned above, or has any knowledge on anything that I have mentioned so far I would love any advice you could offer and the pros/cons of that career.

    Basically, I was looking at doing an IT course, but im not good at accounting/science/maths or programming really.
    I would rather follow a more business , entrepreneur type role, with even a focus towards the marketing/vision side of web technology/ online digital media, but im starting to get the hang of imacros (kinda) so I don't know if that scores me any points in the programming side of things...

    So any honest advice from my fellow members here would be very very, Very much appreciated as im in a bit of a dilemma at the moment.

    Flood my mind with your insights please/ :)
     
  2. gurkoboy

    gurkoboy Junior Member

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    University will not help you succeed in online business or business in general. To succeed in business isn't something you can really teach.

    Firstly, if you want to make money in my opinion don't waste your time getting a degree. That's 4 years you will not get back and upto 100k in debt. If you have an idea and you are a hard-worker with lots of discipline and focus then you MIGHT be better off just taking action.

    If it was me, I would get a bachelor of science and major in maths, it will keep your mind sharp and it will teach you problem solving skills beyond others around you in your day to day life. You said you weren't good at maths but I'm willing to bet if you wanted to be, you'd be great at it. It's just about putting the time in. The same for for programming and business and just about anything else. If you're at uni you might aswell get a really broad and generalized skill-set (mathematics/physics) than a business orientated skill-set right?

    To reiterate, if you want to learn how to program go pick up a book or take a 12 week course in the programming language of your choice. Focus on it and learn it thoroughly. If you want to learn how to market a product and modern marketing strategies, pick up a book and teach yourself. Do not spend a semester at university doing "Marketing 101".

    It's up to you though, pick the course the you think you would enjoy the most, then work on business/IM part-time. It's a safe route and you don't have to go hard out and burn yourself out, as opposed to diving straight into the business world.
     
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  3. blackboxer

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    Thankyou for the feedback gurkoboy, I am just confused about which course to choose but I know I most likely choose anything maths/finance related as I really am not good with 'advanced' mathematics (never have been).

    Anyone else that can share their knowledge/experience or insight on this subject I would be very appreciative.
     
  4. blackboxer

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    can someone/anyone else offer me any advice on this?
    thanks
     
  5. tygrus

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    Organized education cannot help your succeed as an entrepreneur. Our system is designed to pump out worker drones, not independent thinkers. On the other side, you don't need any programming skills to become successful in the web site biz.

    A lot of people out there want to get a presence on the web but have no idea how. This is where you can come in and start a business from scratch. Offer to set up blogs for people on whatever they want. Offer free set up and then charge a monthly maintenance fee like $20 or something. Get a few hundred people like that and boom you are in business.
     
  6. Chronos

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    I disagree, respectfully of course.

    A business management and/or a business administration degree will help entrepreneurs. (I'm going for both as of right now). I'll admit, the first 2 years of a traditional 4 year school are a waste. The level 100, and low 200 classes are a joke. It doesn't challenge anyone and it's nothing but busy work. In defense of the University cirriculum, the first 2 years tries to allow everyone to have a chance at a level playing field before going into the advanced 300, 400 level courses.

    However, when you get to 300, 400 level classes in the business management/administration field, you spend an in-depth amount of time on management techniques for every business practice.

    And I don't mean management as in organization, I mean management as in being able to handle your business the right way based on rational decisions rather than just guessing if something will work or not.

    I mean, theres some pretty simple and complex formulas alike that can vastly improve efficiency just by plugging in a few numbers.

    As I noted, the first 2 years are BS and I would highly suggest trying to test out of as many prereq, 100 level classes.
     
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  7. blackboxer

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    thanks guys for the advice offered so far, im starting to lean towards a business/marketing degree but im thinking maybe a digital communications/ business system degree is also a good choice

    keep the advice coming, im taking everything thats said on board.
     
  8. david wright

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    2012 is just around the corner and you want to waste your time in a university? You'll likely be dead in a few years!

    What you should do is work on your online business, start making some money and when you do have money coming in every month then you can go to college.
     
  9. GreenGoblin

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    Yea bro..as weird as this is gonna sound school is not the place to learn to be successful, they never teach you exactly what u need to know, they only teach you how to apply what you have read but the material that your reading doesn't tell u what u need to know

    I'll give u a prime example, ask anyone who went to college "How do u establish business credit" and notice how u will get 1000 different answers u would think that's something that they would teach in school but it's not.

    I know people with master degree's in business management and information systems and know jack squat about actually running a business they only know what they read or what someone told them they never did it themselves but they have a piece of paper called a degree that says "hey I'm smart"

    If u want to know how to run a business from ground up I suggest u go to Barnes & Nobel and pick up books in business that interest you and read them. If u want to learn how to establish business credit shoot me a PM and ill explain to you how to do so.
     
  10. BinaryGenius

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    I would recommend a major in operational management. it helps with creative thinking and general business. they do have entrepreneurial tracks in business at the masters level too. some levels of entrepreneurial thinking can be learned. but not everything
     
  11. w84it

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    Business -> Marketing
     
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    At my university they offer an emphasis in entrepreneurship. It is part of a business management degree, but there are special classes geared towards being an entrepreneur. I've found it very useful and have applied many of the techniques to my online businesses.
     
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  13. blackboxer

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    thanks, ill look into business management as well as a major/course in entrepreneurship

    cheers