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Need Pro Help Setting Up My Email Marketing Campaigns, Want To Do It Myself Again

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cresmedia, Jul 5, 2012.

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  1. cresmedia

    cresmedia Junior Member

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    I wish the email marketing section was still here, been PM'ing people via threads all morning....


    I want to control my email marketing instead of using bulk mailers that aren't always reliable. I need to be able to send out unlimited or at least 50k or so a month lists that are not opt-in (scraped) I need a solution that won't get me banned by my ISP or anything like that.

    From what I understand (picked up a few months back) I would need an offshore VPS or something along those lines correct, but thats all I really know as far as where to start. I have used mailer programs like Atomic Email sender in the past, as well as other email marketing services/freelancers/partners but like I said I'm looking to have full control over my email marketing.

    If you could help me set up a solution I would more than appreciate it and am willing to pay if need be.

    I'm pretty well versed in CL advertising, changing IP's, etc, but have been wanting to control and hopefully move over all my marketing to email marketing, more range, and likely more cost effective.

    Also if you are familiar with SMS marketing I've been looking to get involved in that and create a set up I can control as well, but my first concern is the email marketing. I want to get it set up asap.

    CoyoteAssassin, I'm looking for you.
     
  2. CoyoteAssassin

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    I'm not sure how much help I can provide if you are using CL as I've never used it. Is it CL emails that you are mailing to or valid emails?

    If you are only mailing to 50k/month, I would get a shared hosting account with cPanel. You could get a VPS or even a dedicated server, but most likely you would not want to spend that amount of money up front. So, get the shared hosting account and add a email program to it such as IEM. Learn how to effectively mail to 50k BEFORE you try mailing to others. If you can't handle 50k, you will not have any success at 100k or even more.

    Also, this will give you the opportunity to start mailing with little invested money. Once you do make money, reinvest. Buy more accounts and start doing it more.

    During your first time emailing to the addresses, mail slow. Find out what the limit is from your host. Process your bounces and make sure you clean out unsubscribes.

    Hope that is enough to get you started. Post updates here as needed.
     
  3. cresmedia

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    Okay, I usually verify lists with Maxprog email verifier before I send them off to partners to send out, but I know it doesn't always catch all the bad addresses. I avoid mailing to craigslist emails I only take the valid emails (learnt that from my first email marketing partner)

    Can you recommend a host? I currently use hostgator, also how much do VPS/dedicated servers usually run on the cheap end?

    Anyone happen to know the limits of certain hosts like hostgator? Or would you even recommend hostgator for email marketing?
     
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    Maxprog will give you an idea of the domain is dead or if the email is a bad format. But that is about as far as it goes. You should email to your list at a very small rate. Maybe don't even include a link the first time around or use a link that you are OK with trading for another.

    I've never needed a dedicated server but they are around $150-$200. I've got several VPS accounts instead. Having a dedicated server is too risky in my opinion. I'd prefer to take that same money and spread it across multiple VPS accounts.

    Besides that, I do not think you need that right now. You need to learn how to use a shared hosting account. Setting up a VPS can be tricky.

    I can't recommend any host. That is common on BHW for obvious reasons. Find one at the price and it will work. If not, you will have learned from it and move to another.
     
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    maxprog cant verify 3rd party emails such as yahoo and other. I have a verifier that can catch bad address. Pm me
     
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  6. CoyoteAssassin

    CoyoteAssassin Elite Member

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    ihatecaptcha has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

    PM me if you have something that works.
     
  7. cresmedia

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    Thanks, I've actually been looking for a better verifier than maxprog for sometime now after a couple of people I was hiring for sending where telling me there were still a lot of bad addresses in the lists even after running them through maxprog. I've used a few others in the past, but had settled on maxprog I'll have to find some more. Will update when I do.

    Going to research into some VPS accounts now.
     
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    Stop doing the research and just get a shared hosting account. You are going to get banned your first time out so why put so much time and money into it to begin with. And don't start with HostGator at first. They are good, but once you are banned, they will not let you onto their system if they know it is you.
     
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  9. afallison

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    The thing about email verifiers is that they basically do everything the same as sending the mail, without actually sending the mail. 99.9% of destination domains will block you after a few queries on their servers not to mention the complaints that will come in. You're going to burn through some ip's so just accept it. Coyote is absolutely right, you will get banned from whatever host you use especially since you have a list with dead emails. You need to process your bounces or you'll find yourself constantly getting blocked. Plus, why waste time mailing an email address you know is dead..

    Check out this guide to learn how to configure a VPS to mail: http://www.affjohn.com/how-to-setup-smtp-on-a-linux-vps/. It shows you step by step how to configure a vps to become an smtp server. You can find some $4 or $5 vps to practice with. This way you won't have to share ip's with dozens of other users or deal with any sending limits like you do with a shared host.

    Good luck to you. Oh and for the record, Hostgator sucks ass.
     
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  10. cresmedia

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    Thanks for that guide, I'll be sure to look into it. Right now I'm still using a couple of bulk mailers I found that seem to be reliable so far, once I've done a few runs with them then I'll be looking more into setting up my own. Thanks for all the help you guys and I'll be back in a little to let you know how things are going.
     
  11. listerdl

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    really great advice on this forum - i guess you just have to invest the time and trial and learn by experience. Obvious but very valid. Checking for dud emails is again obvious and I didn't think of that. So, if your hosting sees that you have lots of bounces they obviously get suspicious?
     
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    Cleaning your list is essential to mailing on a regular basis. If your server's ip address tries to mail to the same dead email address after you've already bounced it, most destination domains block you instantly for at least several hours. Your sender score takes a hit too since you'll get filtered. Take a look at your server's ip at senderscore.org. You gotta realize that every single destination domain then knows your ip has a bad rep and then THEY stop blocking your mail. You gotta keep it CLEAN!