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Need More Insight on Google Sandbox (If This Is Indeed A Product Of Google's Sandbox)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Robby54, Mar 13, 2016.

  1. Robby54

    Robby54 Regular Member

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    Ok, I had some spare time and I has a few sites I wanted to use for testing..

    I purchased a few PBN's several years ago for a few thousand dollars and just recently decided to use them as money sites. I also created a brand new site to compare results. Now for years I always thought that google sandbox was only done on a domain level, meaning once you domain has finally passed that period, you're good to go. But from my own findings it seems that it's also on a page level, despite my domain being very old, naturally ranking for keywords just by domain authority, when I created a new page on the domain and tried to rank it, the page exhibited sandbox like behavior.

    I pretty much used this same process for each site:

    1) Create a new page on the domain
    2) Send no more than 11 links a day, one of which is a PBN
    3) Submit the 10 out of the 11 links to google url submit (to speed up the indexing since they are web 2.0's).
    4) EMA less than 5% PMA less than 5%, the rest is branded, etc...

    Now I did this with 3 domains, 2 aged domains and 1 new domain created 2 months ago and the results were exactly the same. The only difference was for the aged domains I targeted the inner page and for the new domain I targeted the homepage.

    Here was the result for the new domain (registered 1-21-2016):

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    All the other keywords for this domain shows similar movement.

    This is the results for aged domain 1:

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    So, basically my question is, are you guy's experiencing the same thing? In my case, it might be because these sites (despite being aged and having a great backlink profile) haven't been liked to for years. So the surge in backlinks could have triggered googles algo to render my links useless until this period has passed http://www.seobythesea.com/2012/08/google-rank-modifying-spammers-patent/ or it could simply be the sandbox period which I would need to wait to pass. But im not sure, so any insight you can provide is much appreciated.
     
  2. archon10

    archon10 BANNED BANNED

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    Why do you want insight on something that doesn't exist? It's more likely that your site isn't good.
     
  3. Robby54

    Robby54 Regular Member

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    If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't reply....
     
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    archon10 BANNED BANNED

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    Do you need sign language? There is no such thing as the Google Sandbox.

    Your graph indicates that google was artificially ranking your site (opposite of the stupid sandbox myth that idiot SEOs push when they fail at their jobs) and the algorithms collected enough data to figure out where you should rank.
     
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    I guess the main reason you are not able to rank faster is this - Google does not think your site is topically relevant for whatever you are trying to rank.

    That and there seems to be a ranking delay built into the algorithm now. This seems to be shorter for established sites that are relevant and longer for newer sites with no relevance. I am not saying this is a sandbox, but a ranking delay that Google applies based on the relevance and authority of a site. And links do not work instantaneously anymore either. It now seems the effects take a while to kick in.

    IMO, unless you establish topical relevance you will not be able to rank. Not unless you point really powerful links at the page or you have an authority site - like DA60+. Plus the page has to be relevant as well. Relevance IMO is something a lot of SEOs tend to overlook.

    To establish relevance for a particular topic, I believe you need at least 30 or more pages on the topic. And all of them have to be linked together wherever relevant. This is just my opinion based on what I am seeing.

    Question: how many pages does this site have? And how many pages - all on this same topic - as the page in question?

    Trying to use sheer brute force to push a page up the SERPs does not seem to work as well as it once used to.
     
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    Robby54 Regular Member

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    There are plenty of case study's that'll prove your wrong but im not going to argue with you. Please refrain from posting on this thread as I am not trying to turn this into a debate.
     
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    archon10 BANNED BANNED

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    There are no case studies that prove there is one, because there is none. Google actually does the exact OPPOSITE of what SEO guru wankers claim. They artificially rank a site to collect data on it. Your graph indicates that's what happened to your site.
     
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    Yes, that's basically what the sandbox is, a ranking delay, google won't give the site the credit that it should in hopes of the SEO doing something out of the ordinary according to their patient I linked to in OP. I do agree with you on topic relevance as the expired site has over 30 pages of content I wrote back in 2013 but just recently I started to add more content relating to my niche because the other articles were pretty general. Thus far I made a few pages, about 5 ranging from 800-1200 words, I also read Leith post about being stuck on page 2 as well as other sources which confirm this so for the aged domain, I'll keep pushing content to see if that helps, I know one guy who did add more content relating to his niche and linked them together and moved up about 5 pages after a week. If this does happen with this site I'll update this thread.

    But this does not explain why the new site is exhibiting this behavior, the new site has about 7 articles, written by myself as I know a lot about this niche, each article is no shorter than 1000 words and I'll continue to add more articles. All the articles are 100% on topic and are inner linked. So maybe it's simply the sandboxing effect hindering the website?
     
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    lmao enjoy your rank bro.
    I just hope you're not an SEO guru wanker doing work for someone else.