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Necessary IM Skills?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by PandaDomo, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. PandaDomo

    PandaDomo Senior Member

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    Just to take a poll here, what do you guys think is the necessary knowledge to have about IM, and then out-source the rest?

    A few examples to throw out there:
    - Do you find it necessary to know how to build links but not content?
    - Knows how to write articles, but not copy-writing?
    - Knows how to optimize pages and create beautiful graphics, but out-source the SEO?
    - Able to build beautiful sites, but let someone else fill in the content?

    Of course, I know it's best to know how to do everything or at least have the general knowledge, but which do you guys feel are just mundane tasks you can easily outsource to others to save time?
     
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  2. lakim0

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    - Necessary
    - Necessary
    - Necessary
    - Necessary

    :)
     
  3. PandaDomo

    PandaDomo Senior Member

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    So by this, I assume you do everything completely yourself and find it pointless to out-source?
     
  4. keptman

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    well i would say coding skills and keyword research. too many people use the "keyword tool competition marker" but that doesn't define the ACTUAL competitiveness of a keyword. only the competitiveness in adwords
     
  5. txhepoker

    txhepoker Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If you outsource a majority of your SEO....

    #1 - The knowledge to charge more than your outsource cost.
    #2 - Don't piss off your outsource provider.
    #3 - Rinse and repeat and scale up!!!

    I started to outsource 100% on some clients. For example I charge $200 per keyword and I have a client who has a minimum of 4. I outsource at around $250 total for all keywords. I pocket $550 for sending an email and chill at the beach all day and drink coronas!!!
     
  6. bigkapp

    bigkapp Regular Member

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    I think the only necessary skill you need is to be able to think out side the box. A lot of people put to much emphasis on skill. Every thing in IM can be out sourced. But it's actually the ideas you come up with that actually makes you bank. I would say learn a little of everything thing refine, improve , keep the things your good at and out source the rest.
     
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    Trying to do everything can be more of a curse - that's the biggest thing I've learned from my business so far. At the beginning, I did php, c#, content writing, link building blah blah blah.

    Today while I was digging through a WP plugin to find a bug I thought screw this and made an oDesk job. Followed it up with 3 other jobs I cbf doing. This is the way to go.

    +1 to bigkapp
     
  8. WrightWilliams

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    All of it is needed. Except I outsource design as it takes far too much time for anything custom compared to what I have to do in a day.
     
  9. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    There are two things that are true in IM:
    1) Any task you can outsource, you should probably be building bots to do instead
    2) Many tasks people outsource, are actually the things you should NOT outsource (content generation being a major one)

    I can think of only 2 things that are rightfully outsourceable (maybe 3 if you care about social signals, which god knows why you would)...
     
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  10. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    Start off by learning as much as possible on your own. then you can figure out what works and what doesn't. Then when you have a working method you outsource almost everything (except business decision making skills) but now you already know exactly what and how you want things done at a bigger scale. You see, you can outsource everything but if you have no idea exactly hat you want and leave that to someone else then you will end up spending alot of money for nothing.

    So do as much as possible yourself when starting out and outsource when you start to make money from your methods.
     
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    Then google changes what works in 3 months, and you have to fire all your outsourcers and start over :)
     
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    LOL, well for me 3 months later i am still using the same outsource team and still banking a six figure income online! Of course you need to keep yourself informed, keep testing, reading about upcoming updates and if you lose a few sites during an update you analyze why and improve/modify your methods and replace them and instruct your outsource teams accordingly. The updates are not a curse but an opportunity to enter new niches (or dominate your niche) since usually the competition will decline following an update. So Google changes actually creates opportunities for those who are actively (almost obsessively) testing and analyzing hat works and what does not. Its simple common sense to make sure you keep learning and keep improving.
     
  13. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    I've created bots for most of the tasks people do via outsourcers. My bots happen to be fast enough to do about 10,000 web 2.0s (across unsupported sites for crap programs like UD etc) in a single day if I want them to. I then just funnel that money back into high end paid links, and bank even more :) I leave my sole outsourcer to actually manually post things on forums, and that's about it.
    I generally spend my time writing articles, and creating massive spintaxes tens of millions of words long (all unique of course, as pulling from article sites makes you an asshat)

    I think it's a pretty warped mind that thinks they can prevent falls from Google updates simply through intelligent analysis. A site that was hit in Penguin #1, came back in Oct and ranks #1 again a cross a lot of keywords... with zero new SEO done. The idea of these updates is to rotate out search results... obviously.
    I do agree that it's never been easier to rank for some juicy keywords... but staying there in the long term throughout every update? good luck.
     
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    Mate, i was not talking to you initially. And yes i have read you repeat the same SHIT non stop on these forums about your special bots! Your bots are not going to design a website while taking into consideration the user experience. Your bots will not create a custom template or banners. Your bots can not build specially designed PHP/CSS/HTML custom sites! Saying bots are all you need is other bullshit and completely foolish but good if all you doing is spamming the web and not building your own product or brand that needs specialized attention, which will one day be top alexa ranking authority. (And no authority is not having a 100 page website!)

    Anyway, I was replying to the OP and you make some silly remark and then now again twist my reply. I never said you can PREVENT falls!!! I said you can analyse the falls and use that to improve and rank better in future.

    There is no one way that works perfectly and everybody gets hit to some extent. And we each deal with it in our ownways. No one knows the Google algo so of course there are all sorts of things that happen out of our control. Right now i see a Clickbank hoplink ranking no.1 for a competitive keyword!!! Some times doing nothing works, sometimes making changes works. You analyze and make your own decision based your own methods.

    And for calling me a warped mind, please can you shut the fuck up as sick of hearing all your bullshit statements which is almost awlays negative and talking down to people while hardly ever contributing anything.

    You are banking from your methods congrats to you....i am banking from mine and congrats to me too!

    Simple and no need to act like a fucking idiot!!
     
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    Not sure why you took it that I was calling you warped, I was merely highlighting a problem with the mindset that proper SEO survives all updates... which is bogus, but often held on this forum and especially WF.
    Every time an update happens, most niches I watch completely transform their top 10... Hell, even WALMART went from the top 5 to not in the top 100 after Penguin in Oct in one niche. The updates create opportunities, as you said, and smart SEOers move in. Which is kind of funny, as I haven't noticed many moving into some major major niches I'm in :) It may indeed be a golden age for hard working, head strong SEOers.

    Penguin is the update that's changed the game, as Panda almost never touches any of my websites. Penguin's data refresh and negative link juice destroys sites, seemingly on a rotational basis.
     
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    Learn how to test your ideas whether they're yours or others that you've read about here. There's nothing like your own test results.
     
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  18. PandaDomo

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    Thanks for all the advice so far, sorry I didn't reply until now though, I just got home from school :p Different time zone and all that.

    Anyway, so from what's been mentioned so far, I guess usually it's just creativity you would need for yourself and be updated as to how the new Google algorithm works from each update?
     
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    social engineering is the best .......
     
  20. PandaDomo

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    Isn't social engineering illegal...?