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Myths/Truths Re: Blasting new sites with links.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Kickflip, Jan 19, 2011.

  1. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Ok, I have been reading over and over so much garbage misinformation regarding blasting new websites with backlinks, or blasting directly to your money site, building un-natural looking links etc. These are simply people guessing at why their sites are being penalized, de-indexed, or lost rankings.

    I have been doing tests on 10~ sites for the last 2 months, running scrapebox 24/7, making on average 500-1000 new approved backlinks every day. Most of these websites are BRAND NEW, meaning I just registered them in Godaddy, loaded up a basic website/wordpress autoblog, found a few keywords, and started blasting.

    My setup:
    Public proxies. 2-4 keywords per site. Linking to MULTIPLE pages within the website, not just the homepage. Generic comments, no links/html/keyword stuffing in the comments. Remove duplicate domains always before blasting. Generic list of 200 gmail addresses in email field.

    I have google analytics and webmaster tools installed on the sites also to track keywords. I know a lot of people are scared to run those, but I am trying to show that this is not something to be afraid of.

    My steps:
    Load keywords/emails/site urls/comments/blog list to post to. Post, check links, ping found list. Yes, I always ping the auto approved links.

    My results:
    Ranking for every keyword I target. I am not saying I am number 1 for every keyword yet, but I am showing in the ranks for every keyword I choose. None of my sites have ever been de-indexed. Do I do the "google dance"? YES! This is 100% normal to see a massive change in rankings up and down when you post a bunch of new links. Google has to take time to index all of your links, check the keywords, compare competition and decide where you stand in comparison to everyone else.

    Why did you go down after building backlinks?
    There are a few reasons you could go down in the rankings after a big backlinks blast. The biggest reason I see if that people are doing xrumer profiles with no anchor text. How is google supposed to rank your site easily without anchor text, unless you have an exact match domain? If you make 100 links with anchor text, and 1000 links without, google doesn't consider you as strong of an authority for that keyword anymore. Same thing about changing keywords or targetting multiple, unrelated keywords on 1 site.

    Example:
    Make 100 links about Milk. Rank for milk.
    Make 100 links about Cheese. Lose rankings on milk a bit, get a bit of rankings for cheese.
    Make 1000 links with anchor about Bread, or no anchor at all. Lose rankings for milk and cheese.

    You may not even be aware you just made 1000 links without anchor text or with a different keyword. Certain blogs have the recent comments widgets or other widgets that will put your website on EVERY page of their site. This means, while you only made 1 comment, google now sees that this 1 website has built 1000 links to you, and whichever random keyword it hit on (and sometimes it doesn't display the keyword, just the domain), is now your "main" keyword, whether you want it to be or not.

    Some images to show my site registration dates/backlinks built/rankings:
    This is a basic "UFC" related autoblog. I went and posted 1 original article that I hand wrote about an upcoming event, and I instantly ranked high for it. My autoblog content isn't ranking well, but that 1 article blasted to the top without me actually building links to it.
    http://img402.imageshack.us/i/rank1z.png/
    This is my main website, not hard to find the URL. It has over 100,000 backlinks total between the sites pages.
    http://img225.imageshack.us/i/rank2.png/

    Conclusion:
    I am not telling you to purchase the biggest link building blast you can afford. I am not telling you its impossible to be penalized by google due to your backlinking, I am saying that building tons of links is NOT the main cause of losing rankings. More likely, it is due to spam complaints, bad keyword research, building links on malware sites accidentally, no anchor text.

    ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON MY OWN DATA FOR MY PERSONAL WEBSITES. I OBVIOUSLY CANT GUARANTEE YOU THE SAME RESULTS. IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DATA OR OBSERVATIONS, POST THEM! I HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE AND HELPS SOME PEOPLE.

    See also for more info:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/272194-sb-blast-site-gone-google.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/239545-scrapebox-competitors-site-test-study.html
     
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  2. tony23

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    Excellent post and heres my 2cents, imagine a brand new site goes up for example the first coupon/voucher site, it generates a huge viral buzz and hundreds of thousands of sites link to it in 24 hours, does Google slap it? Nope. And it will go to number 1 for keywords coupon/voucher.
    Now stick a new site in a saturated niche, it will bounce around till it finds its true rank, as long as you keep building links that are relevant it will find its place, then move it up. I think a lot of people have no patience and want it no1 in 2 weeks.
     
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  3. dannyhw

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    Sandboxing does happen. Nobody knows exactly how. A lot of the time it just doesn't kick in and a lot of the time it does.

    It definitely has to do with the quality of the links used, probably more so domain strength than page strength. In a scenario where something gets actual buzz and acquires a ton of editorial links in a short time, those are quality links so you're actually less likely to trigger it.
     
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  4. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Exactly. People think that its the NUMBER of links that triggers a penalty. They swear by a certain limit of new backlinks each day/week/month and they get seriously worried if they "accidentally" build too many links in that time.
     
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    Sandboxing when mass backlinking directly occurrs before a major change in the serps(meaning you overdid it). Worth it if you got the time to wait for the sandbox effect go away, otherwise do it in tiers.
     
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    commendable post... couldn't have said it better myself.... :D :D


    p.s. its not an SB comment. lol


    I have been trying to tell BHW members abt the very same topic in almost similar manner, my main site has 31k links indexed out of 100k blasts I did over the past 2 months.

    No pinging required.. just natural way of letting your links get crawled over by search engines. :)
     
  7. craigslistguy

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    Which is the whole point in INDIRECT LINKING

    Jucie is all that matters...

    SEO is like a eating process:

    Your mouth gets filled with food (creating a "buffers" if you want to call them that everyone has a different name for them, linking to your mainsite)

    It goes down your throat to your stomach, moving thru your bowels, right by your sphincter( These are your BL to the BL pointing to your site)

    Then you shit out a very concentrated amount of food (since MOST of us can create 2.0 props on a whim you can spam the fuck out of those with no fear of hurting your mainsite, and reaping the benefits of the ones that stick, then repeating the process until you get enough to stick)

    This is a funny generalization but still true.

    You figure out the details and put your spin on it to do the best you can with what you got. This is what SEO means BUT then general "rules" apply to a degree.

    You must be as water, a great guy said once...


    CLG approves this msg.
     
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    I have to agree with Kickflip here, I to have been running my own test and built three new wordpress sites each are between 1 month to 2 months old. I just did a huge Scrapebook blast to each of these new sites.

    I did not ping the lists though but instead let the search engines pick these up naturally. Each one of these sites sits on the first page in Google for each of the main keywords I have.

    I got to the first page in the big G within one week and have stayed there since.
    One of these sites has over 6000 links.
     
  9. tony23

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    Sandboxing as I see it is a name given to the predicament (rank) of a site, this is the result of the algorithim reading a status which triggers an action which triggers an action and on and on until the 'status' changes, there will be a time frame included in that process, it's just a guessing game and trial and error trying to work out the 'triggers' and G. keeps shuffling everything about. Some people say just keep blasting the fucker till it moves.
    Maybe Im lucky, 30+ sites and sometimes a bit of bouncing around but usually not, never had a site stuck as long as Ive built links to it.
     
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    No-one is disputing that this is possible, Ive done it!

    But its deff. not ADVISABLE as a long term approach to staying because someone will come by and just kick you right in the dick and takeover that knows what they are doing...

    PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE is the best MAINTENANCE. ESP when your dealing with xx amount of sites.
     
  11. Bestbuyfoam

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    I just love threads like these...

    I will be following this one...

    Thanks again to the OP for you time and thoughts...

    And Have A Blessed One...
     
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    It's really a question of risk to reward. If all I have to lose by trying some aggressive link spamming is a new domain, who cares? I'll take that risk. If I'm working for a client that's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run I'm not going to let them see their SERPs drop one day and lose that business.
     
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    not just a client, I hope one day my portfolio will be making the same numbers or even more :D
    so I try to be careful about everything
     
  14. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    For sure, nobody who has posted here believes a direct linking campaign from scrapebox to money site with 50k links will take over the number 2 spot of Viagra. But, we could do that blast with basic precautions, and possibly pick up some long tail related keywords in the mean time, and get us on Googles radar for the keyword we want. From there, yes other link strategies will have to come into play. But if you have no real SEO conscious competition, then a direct link campaign is probably enough to get and keep your spot.
     
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    For comments blast with scrapebox do you use the Keywords / Anchor Text in the name field or just normal names? And what is the influence of that
     
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    I am not agree with that. Backlinks with the domain name as anchor are very important and don't generate lose rankings for other keywords. They look naturally and give more trust..
     
  17. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    But this is my point. Link spamming alone isn't proven to drop anyones rankings. There is NO reason that building too many links would lower your rankings. It should improve them. BUT if you get reported as spam, post on a site reported as malware, post on completely unrelated sites, post without keyword anchor, this could lower your rankings. I am not specifically talking about scrapebox here, just building mass links in general.
     
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    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    I use the keywords in the name field. The good is that google knows what your site is about. The bad is that webmasters can report you as spam.
     
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  19. dannyhw

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    Hah, so do I! I've handled clients paying that kind of money before, about 10 at a time. But most of the money goes to the president of the agency of course. I did what I had to do to transition from being a black hat affiliate to a white hat consultant though, so it's all about building up qualifications.

    To be fair though, I got that first head of online marketing position by impressing them with my black hat stuff :cool:
     
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    i'm quite confused about the anchor text.

    should we use the same anchor text with 3-4 variations when blasting our sites to autoapprove blogs? so altogether 4-5 keywords in the name field?

    thanks.