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i just increased my engagement in comments just asking for my views "who is this character" it increased 70% more comments, and the views did not raise at all.
 

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Yeah at this time the only way is manually ranking using a method russ has mentioned on another thread or just going whitehat, smm's just are not worth it right now unless your video is like 30 seconds or a minute long , even then subscriber engagement is the most important thing for your brand new uploads. if you can find a smm that will use the same accounts to sub to you, watch your video, like your video and comment on your video, then youre golden, but without that youre just getting random views from random bots that may or may not be subbed to you, that watch ppl in completely different niches as you. Its not a good sign to the algorithm, at this point my views are only ads based ($5 a day method + channel trailers) and manual engagement from my mobile devices, its not as quick and effortless as smm's of course but i can atleast upload without worrying about drops and bad analytics all the time
 

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Yeah at this time the only way is manually ranking using a method russ has mentioned on another thread or just going whitehat, smm's just are not worth it right now unless your video is like 30 seconds or a minute long , even then subscriber engagement is the most important thing for your brand new uploads. if you can find a smm that will use the same accounts to sub to you, watch your video, like your video and comment on your video, then youre golden, but without that youre just getting random views from random bots that may or may not be subbed to you, that watch ppl in completely different niches as you. Its not a good sign to the algorithm, at this point my views are only ads based ($5 a day method + channel trailers) and manual engagement from my mobile devices, its not as quick and effortless as smm's of course but i can atleast upload without worrying about drops and bad analytics all the time
The problem is 100 CTR views isn't enough for me. It needs to be like 500 but to do it manually is impossible.
 

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The problem is 100 CTR views isn't enough for me. It needs to be like 500 but to do it manually is impossible.
Its possible, its not easy, it takes time but its possible, but the harder the keyword the more difficult and time consuming it will be to get it ranking, if you have 100 accounts that are subscribed to you, watvh your videos 100% like and comment thats very good signs to get the video pushed, but if youre trying to rank on a over saturated keyword its a uphill battle. of course 500 works even better and 1000 even more but at that point unless you run a click farm and have 50+ running mobile devices itll be difficult, im going to be trying out using proxies on a android emulator via pc so that could be a faster way of doing things but its unproven right now
 

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Its possible, its not easy, it takes time but its possible, but the harder the keyword the more difficult and time consuming it will be to get it ranking, if you have 100 accounts that are subscribed to you, watvh your videos 100% like and comment thats very good signs to get the video pushed, but if youre trying to rank on a over saturated keyword its a uphill battle. of course 500 works even better and 1000 even more but at that point unless you run a click farm and have 50+ running mobile devices itll be difficult, im going to be trying out using proxies on a android emulator via pc so that could be a faster way of doing things but its unproven right now
Could you update us on this? DId Android Emulator actually work?
 

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me and a friend did some testing of our own and the metrics were at least strange... the numbers don't add up

tested using two different accounts : a brand new youtube account with zero subscribers and an old account that has traffic and impressions already.

for the old account, i published a video, first hour it got 500 views (75% from browse features, 22% from notifications). roughly 2.5k impressions during the first hour, CTR around 1.5 - which would mean about 38 views from impressions (which is also what youtube says).

but since i got 500 views during the first hour and 75% of them (about 375 views) came from browse features, why does youtube credit only 38 as coming from impressions? where did the rest of browse feature views come from if not from impressions?

aren't views from browse features coming from impressions? don't people click on a thumbnail (from the home feed, subscribe feed, search, etc) to view the video? why aren't these all counted as clicks?

to test this further, we tried the brand new account and asked 20 friends to help out. asked 10 people to subscribe to the channel and the other 10 not to subscribe. they all have aged accounts, logged in from their own mobile devices (using the mobile app), using different ips.

i published a new video with the brand new account - the 10 people who subscribed to the channel got the video in their home feed (so it was definitely an impression for each one) and clicked on it. also asked the 10 people who did not subscribe to use the search and find the video and click on it - and so they did.

so we should have 20 impressions and 20 views - with 100% CTR

but to my surprise, even after 48 hrs, these were the stats

views : 21
impressions : 6
CTR: 0%
views from impressions : 0

So what the heck? can someone tell me what's going on?
 

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me and a friend did some testing of our own and the metrics were at least strange... the numbers don't add up

tested using two different accounts : a brand new youtube account with zero subscribers and an old account that has traffic and impressions already.

for the old account, i published a video, first hour it got 500 views (75% from browse features, 22% from notifications). roughly 2.5k impressions during the first hour, CTR around 1.5 - which would mean about 38 views from impressions (which is also what youtube says).

but since i got 500 views during the first hour and 75% of them (about 375 views) came from browse features, why does youtube credit only 38 as coming from impressions? where did the rest of browse feature views come from if not from impressions?

aren't views from browse features coming from impressions? don't people click on a thumbnail (from the home feed, subscribe feed, search, etc) to view the video? why aren't these all counted as clicks?

to test this further, we tried the brand new account and asked 20 friends to help out. asked 10 people to subscribe to the channel and the other 10 not to subscribe. they all have aged accounts, logged in from their own mobile devices (using the mobile app), using different ips.

i published a new video with the brand new account - the 10 people who subscribed to the channel got the video in their home feed (so it was definitely an impression for each one) and clicked on it. also asked the 10 people who did not subscribe to use the search and find the video and click on it - and so they did.

so we should have 20 impressions and 20 views - with 100% CTR

but to my surprise, even after 48 hrs, these were the stats

views : 21
impressions : 6
CTR: 0%
views from impressions : 0

So what the heck? can someone tell me what's going on?
Yeah I totally agree with this. It may take a week for it to display accurately, even then its YouTube being buggy as always
 

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Here's data for a video after 2 weeks https://prnt.sc/wdjjj4
impressions : 105k
views : 11k (so ctr should be around 10%)
CTR : 1.7%
anyone else getting similar issues? checked 5 different channels so far, ctr and watch time is messed up on all
 

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I dont want to say his name but there is a youtuber that gaming news and he has bot that hes selling for 13k but it does exactly that it takes accounts give them watch history then engage with your videos

can you pm me a link or something to that 13k bot? really interested in more details on it...
 

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Here's data for a video after 2 weeks https://prnt.sc/wdjjj4
impressions : 105k
views : 11k (so ctr should be around 10%)
CTR : 1.7%
anyone else getting similar issues? checked 5 different channels so far, ctr and watch time is messed up on all

I think the definition of a "click-through view" is only if the impression was generated AND the viewer clicked the video. It's possible to go to browse features without leaving an impression and thus they may have clicked it from there. Did you buy those views or were they organic?
 

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High retention views and video length play a huge part in ranking
 

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I think the definition of a "click-through view" is only if the impression was generated AND the viewer clicked the video. It's possible to go to browse features without leaving an impression and thus they may have clicked it from there. Did you buy those views or were they organic?
100% organic, i didn't buy anything, it's real people leaving comments, likes etc. Traffic from browse features is traffic from the home screen, subscription feed, watch later, and other browsing features - so places where a thumbnail is showed and and impression is generated. So traffic from these sources would mean, someone saw a thumbnail and clicked on it - so it should count as ctr (but it does not - tested it on suggested videos and search as well - ctr is completely messed up)

even tested with a brand new channel, asked some friends to click on my vid (from search and browse) - 20 impressions and 20 clicks - instead of 100% ctr i got 2% or something

so i believe this is key to understand the algorithm. i believe not all impressions are counted and not all clicks are counted - and this would be the case for bot views, but it seems it's the case for real users as well. best example, i know someone with a gaming channel, 100k subscribers, tons of views, all organic - displayed ctr is around 4%, but the one we calculated (based on views and impressions) is around 15%

so think about that
 

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100% organic, i didn't buy anything, it's real people leaving comments, likes etc. Traffic from browse features is traffic from the home screen, subscription feed, watch later, and other browsing features - so places where a thumbnail is showed and and impression is generated. So traffic from these sources would mean, someone saw a thumbnail and clicked on it - so it should count as ctr (but it does not - tested it on suggested videos and search as well - ctr is completely messed up)

even tested with a brand new channel, asked some friends to click on my vid (from search and browse) - 20 impressions and 20 clicks - instead of 100% ctr i got 2% or something

so i believe this is key to understand the algorithm. i believe not all impressions are counted and not all clicks are counted - and this would be the case for bot views, but it seems it's the case for real users as well. best example, i know someone with a gaming channel, 100k subscribers, tons of views, all organic - displayed ctr is around 4%, but the one we calculated (based on views and impressions) is around 15%

so think about that
Yeah that is really strange with analytics on what counts as a CLICK. There's no way this many organic views would look "botted" in YT's traffic.
 

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100% organic, i didn't buy anything, it's real people leaving comments, likes etc. Traffic from browse features is traffic from the home screen, subscription feed, watch later, and other browsing features - so places where a thumbnail is showed and and impression is generated. So traffic from these sources would mean, someone saw a thumbnail and clicked on it - so it should count as ctr (but it does not - tested it on suggested videos and search as well - ctr is completely messed up)

even tested with a brand new channel, asked some friends to click on my vid (from search and browse) - 20 impressions and 20 clicks - instead of 100% ctr i got 2% or something

so i believe this is key to understand the algorithm. i believe not all impressions are counted and not all clicks are counted - and this would be the case for bot views, but it seems it's the case for real users as well. best example, i know someone with a gaming channel, 100k subscribers, tons of views, all organic - displayed ctr is around 4%, but the one we calculated (based on views and impressions) is around 15%

so think about that
I don't know about that.
 

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YouTube doesn't work with views alone.
 
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