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my site is better than everybody else but it's not ranking

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nonai, Apr 24, 2014.

  1. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    do you ever wonder "my site is better than all these pieces of shit, why is it not ranking"?

    like right now, I have a site that is #22 on page 3. Honestly, it is better than all other sites except #1. It has better backlinks, it has more backlinks, it has higher turst flow, higher da, better anchor texts. so I should be #2 now. Why in the hell am I #22?

    I know this is a general question and there is no way to answer it unless you see my site, but can you provide some general guidance? what could I possibly be missing?
     
  2. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Sounds like you have the Double Two Virus in your code. That happens sometimes when you pull an all nighter working your backside off drinking coffee from the mountains of Arstemonia.

    Only way to fix that is to down load software from here.

    You site may or may not come out of the 22nd position but you have to try for the sake of the site.
     
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  3. SkyrocketSEO

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    I thought better site means better content, stuff people share, shit people like.
     
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    Techxan Elite Member

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    Your on page SEO is off, and you are not targeting the keywords you think you are.
     
  5. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    This makes me laugh for lots of reasons. Ranking has never been about having the better site structurally, content wise, or anything else, despite the propaganda Google spreads.
     
  6. FBGuru

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    Whatever you have in higher numbers are the off-site metrics. What you really need to concentrate is having better content and good on-site optimization generally. Evaluate the #1 ranking page and try to replicate and spice it up even more on your site.
     
  7. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    People say this, but I see lots of sites with only 3-4 total pages ranking for 500k/mth exact super competitive terms right now, solely caused by backlinks. Their keyword densities and such suck, at least from the commonly recommended SEO standards.
     
  8. SkyrocketSEO

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    You're right, but he placed all his bets on backlinks. He is not winning at the moment so I guess he should change his strategy a bit.
    No one is saying links are not helping, they sure are, but when links can;t take you to page one, and if you think they should have this means 2 things

    1. Your on-page must be better, you gotta change somehting,
    2. For some reason Google is not giving you love you want, and no one knows the reason.

    P.S. Maybe Ops links are just a mixture of comment links, directory links and who knows what. I saw people shelling out hundreds of dollars on domains with high DA cause they thought they were buying powerful domain. The truth is, they bought a domain with boosted Da with thousands of no follow comment links
     
  9. FutureProofSeo

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    Are my eyes deceiving me?

    Skyrocket just posted a serious response to a thread?!

    I must tell the world ;)
     
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  10. Expertpeon

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    I'm guessing that his backlinks are the problem, structurally. On site SEO seems to be fairly dead at this point, as Google in the last several updates over the last 2-3 months is clearly very pro-spam and pro-301 redirects. We are seeing wide scale mega spam coming back with a vengeance, with sites just dumping 1-2k links from a few hundred domains to their site over about 2 weeks and blasting off again.
     
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  11. FBGuru

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    While I agree with what you're saying, I'd like to say there are also sites ranking on top spots without any backlinks. There are so many variables to look after like page loading speed, image to content ratio, internal linking structure, domain's authority on google's eyes and so on..
     
  12. Expertpeon

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    Not in anything competitive there isn't. I've seen sites with abysmal loading times also ranking by the way, it's fairly common even on hugely competitive terms.

    I see the logic to many of these things, but I also have seen sites rank for terms that 99.999% of the SEO world couldn't rank for, who follow literally none of these rules.
     
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  13. FBGuru

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    It's true that you can't rank a site with just good on-site optimization for competitive niches but for those thin sites ranking solely with the power of backlinks, how long do they hold rankings? I bet it'll be wiped out of search index within a month by manual/algorithmic penalty. nonai said he has much better backlinks than his competitors, so I guess it's best to fix his on-site seo rather than hunting down more powerful backlinks.
     
  14. Expertpeon

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    I was under the impression people figured out, at least 2 years ago, that there's no such thing as permanent ranking for any term no matter how well your strategy is or how good it goes for you. I thought Penguin made people realize that, but I suppose a lot of the SEO "voodoo" is still being spread since last I came to BHW. One site I know of is ranking for a big term ($10-20k per day in sales) with 301 redirects for the last 4 months. The site's terrible, has 4 pages of content, and has a keyword density of 9% in the text.

    While I'm certain there's some kind of on-site considerations here, because Google checks for keywords and relevance, I'm not sure it matters enough to increase his site from page 3 to #2, that's for sure.

    People may think they have better backlinks, but i doubt he truly analyzed the links his competitor has (did he check the links of his links of his links?)
     
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  15. florinovic

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    @Expertpeon
    "On site SEO seems to be fairly dead at this point"

    little surprising coming from you:) ...
    I've seen onsite spamming (with no bls, except G+) competing vs other with 2-3k Pr2+ homepage backlinks ...and yes, I know who's behind that, they have no knowledge about redirects and hiding backlinks... I wouldn't say onsite seo is fairly dead... at all

    and hiding 301 redirects in Tier1 think is possible, tested only 4 weeks tho