My only BHW complaint

akiaki

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This is by far the best resource on the 'net for IM, even WH IM. The community here is awesome... mostly. Of course, there's PLENTY of morons who chime in on every good thread with utterly useless drivel or even lengthy posts espousing flat-out uninformed opinions that do a lot of damage to those of us just trying to learn.

Fortunately, once you read enough, the truth starts to come out, but the problem there is that there are so many pointless posts that it literally takes days to even start to get a grasp of some of the more important concepts. And I'm speaking as a very experienced developer who already knows about all the underlying technologies.

I joined a month ago and I have probably spent about a fifth of my waking hours since then reading non-stop and there's just so much to sift through, I've still got more questions than answers. (OK, well that may not be fair, but I still feel that I'm on the low end of the learning curve, despite I may have read a few books worth of text.)

Before I get too carried away complaining, let me remember to once again stress that BHW is *f'in awesome*!!!! Hands-down the best resource I have seen, and the people who know what they're talking about and bother to put in the time writing tons of helpful posts are to be thanked endlessly.

OK, so back to my only real gripe with BHW - I tend to try to read, read, read, read until I have a good understanding, then start to participate, dip my toes in the water... but I've noticed that certain parts of the forums are off limits to new accounts. This makes total sense, and I commend the mods for creating these kinds of rules -- that preserves the integrity of BHW to a great extent, I'm sure.

However, as I started to wonder how I was going to start to build enough posts to get to the point where my account was less restricted, all I could think of was to start posting stupid "ataboy" or "that's stupid" posts like everyone else does. I'm NEW to this so I don't yet have much to add to the community, and I'd actually prefer to just ask a couple focused questions and spend the rest of my time reading. And really, the questions I have are all answered SOMEWHERE here already - it's just a matter of finding them.

So I'm back to the fact that mostly I just want to read, but in order to post in some places, I have to post 50 more times before that. But I don't have THAT much to add yet and I don't want to keep polluting the good threads with the drivel that there's already far far too much of.

My possibly naive solution? New accounts should be restricted even harder, so that they are only allowed to post in the introductions and lounge forums or something like that. But then that's probably why this here lounge seems to be filled with JV offers because new members can't post on the JV forum. *sigh*

It's also frustrating to see people asking to be spoonfed, or asking how to install WP on otherwise unrelated threads. I guess it's not really that easy to get those people to stop doing dumb stuff like that, but it really increases the time it takes to read BHW. Maybe that's why you see people posting on page 5 of a thread things that clearly indicate they haven't read the previous 4 pages. Am I the only one who actually reads all the posts?

OK, must finish off with another big THANK YOU to the BHW community. You all rock! It may take a while, but I'm learning a lot!

PS - As I now see that posting in places like the lounge don't actually increase one's post count, I guess my suggestion won't work. I understand the logic behind a policy like that, too, but do y'all understand that the result of that policy is very clearly that you'll generate tons of useless posts in the more "important" forums? I see you threaten to ban accounts that spam too many meaningless posts as such, but the reality is there are endless amounts of drivel that, while is nominally on topic, is definitely just polluting otherwise excellent content. I'm certain that that's because you've got plenty of people who need to "unlock" or upgrade their accounts and see no other way than to do that..... man, it's really a BIG bummer for people like me trying to actually spend a lot of time here reading and learning
 
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BHW is like fine wine, the best improve with age.
 
TL;DR version please?

If you're frustrated you have to go through tons of newb posts before you can find the gems. That's just how it is. Would def. improved if new posters are restricted though.
 
I didn't read your entire post (who has the time), but like everything, everyone has their own opinions, and we are also a community that just likes to have fun. Sometimes at other's expense. But we are all here to learn, give opinions, and get rid of some demons.
 
There is something you're good at here. This forum isn't just about marketing. There's design, programming, networking, blogging, social, offline business, eBay, writing, and more.

Truth is, you will be able to find somewhere to contribute, as you are here because you have a skill. Everyone has something to give to the world, whether it's one small opinion or a breakthrough idea.

So find something that you are at least slightly knowledgeable in - or heck, open yourself up to things you don't know about - and try to contribute an idea about maybe how you would handle a situation, scale an idea, or something similar. If your idea ends up being wrong, someone will correct you and tell you why it's not plausible, and you will learn. Conversely, if your idea is valuable, then you've contributed something worthwhile.

Also, since you're reading around, you should know this forum is all about consolidation of material to create something unique. Use the information you gain to create something to give back, something someone else didn't think of. It will be appreciated.
 
now ur talking like you want spoonfed too.
u need only good posts to read.
moderators are not here to please you by deleting bullshit posts.
so better make habit to find good posts and read that only.
 
There is something you're good at here. This forum isn't just about marketing. There's design, programming, networking, blogging, social, offline business, eBay, writing, and more.

Truth is, you will be able to find somewhere to contribute, as you are here because you have a skill. Everyone has something to give to the world, whether it's one small opinion or a breakthrough idea.

So find something that you are at least slightly knowledgeable in - or heck, open yourself up to things you don't know about - and try to contribute an idea about maybe how you would handle a situation, scale an idea, or something similar. If your idea ends up being wrong, someone will correct you and tell you why it's not plausible, and you will learn. Conversely, if your idea is valuable, then you've contributed something worthwhile.

Also, since you're reading around, you should know this forum is all about consolidation of material to create something unique. Use the information you gain to create something to give back, something someone else didn't think of. It will be appreciated.

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I will indeed take this to heart. However, it still doesn't change the problem that probably most other newbs won't take this to heart and will continue to pollute BHW with so much junk. :(

It's a double-edged sword because you don't want to cripple people from becoming part of the community but as I see it you don't want so much junk on your threads either. Maybe the mods have done the best they could - it's probably a compromise one way or the other. But my eyes have really paid the price over the last month. :p
 
now ur talking like you want spoonfed too.
u need only good posts to read.
moderators are not here to please you by deleting bull**** posts.
so better make habit to find good posts and read that only.

C'mon, that's a really over-simplified reading of the point. Stay civil.
 
Its called the Dunning?Kruger effect !

Haha. Yes indeed, you do see a lot of that here, as anywhere else on the net.... and it is frustrating. But more than mis-argued points, I'm trying to point out that there are too many posts that don't even attempt to make any point at all just to garner enough posts....

Anyway, thanks for the good laugh. :)
 
If you have been reading for a while, you must have learned something. Go on other threads that ask the same stuff you have already learned and help those members... bammm 50 posts!
 
What irony.
Take your own medicine.
Your first 6 paragraphs could easily
have made their points in one sentence each.
The rest of it was well worth the read.
Welcome to BHW...:D
 
at xboxps3wow Thanks, good tip!

at unselfishfan Haha! Verbosity is perhaps my weakness. :) Thanks for the welcome and I'll try to be more succinct next time! :)

(can't use the at sign due to filters I guess...)
 
I was on the same boat when I joined months ago. Guess how many posts I have? Less than 100. The most frustrating is how much knowledge there is and choosing what you're going to do first. Stick with one thing, get good at it and you'll make money. I didn't know a thing about blackhat, honestly you remind me of myself. Your thread is really you being frustrated because of all the information being given out but with little support. You'll learn, it's really hard to get people to help you without an incentive. That's just the way things work around here. Sometimes, by creating these threads, you'll find a chartible person that's willing to help you out. Count me in. Give me a PM and I'll shoot you some ideas and support. But always remember rule #1. Internet people are impatient.
 
Verbosity is perhaps my weakness. :) Thanks for the welcome and I'll try to be more succinct next time! :)

That's the spirit! Enjoy the ride!
Succinct, yes. But don't curb your
enthusiasm. You got STYLE... love it.
 
I don't know about anybody else but to me this looks like another useless post about useless posts.

Honestly bro, you just got here and already you write such a long thread about what? About useless posts?

Dude i can't even waste my time to read your whole post.

You are part of the problem you describe.

Now we have another post we have to sift through to find the real gems.

If you are trying to participate and be a valuable part of BHW i think u are starting off wrong. Peace.
 
I was on the same boat when I joined months ago. Guess how many posts I have? Less than 100. The most frustrating is how much knowledge there is and choosing what you're going to do first. Stick with one thing, get good at it and you'll make money. I didn't know a thing about blackhat, honestly you remind me of myself. Your thread is really you being frustrated because of all the information being given out but with little support. You'll learn, it's really hard to get people to help you without an incentive. That's just the way things work around here. Sometimes, by creating these threads, you'll find a chartible person that's willing to help you out. Count me in. Give me a PM and I'll shoot you some ideas and support. But always remember rule #1. Internet people are impatient.

Hey, thanks a LOT! No PM for me yet, but I'll get there some day. Yeah, the 'net encourages instant gratification and all that, but there are good patient people too, and I think BHW probably has a few including yourself.

It's definitely information overload, which is hard to deal with, but OTOH, it's important to me not to go into things blind and make all the mistakes that I CAN avoid if I take the advice on BHW to heart.

Anyhow, thanks for the nice response. Glad to know I'm not alone on my journey. Patience and hard work, and I'll be making money come next year, right? ;-)
 
any short review on the first post?
Thanks..

I guess the TL;DR version is that it's my opinion after spending significant amounts of time reading BHW that the policy that requires newbs to post 50 times before they get certain privileges (which is a very reasonable policy in a lot of ways and based on a very real need) also hurts BHW's quality because you end up with so many threads with posts that don't contribute anything to the conversation.

And since some people seem inclined to take any criticism of this site that they love as some sort of (personal?) attack, let me just stress that my input is intended as constructive feedback for a site that is clearly awesome. None of this means I think BHW is anything but awesome!
 
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I don't know about anybody else but to me this looks like another useless post about useless posts.

Honestly bro, you just got here and already you write such a long thread about what? About useless posts?

Dude i can't even waste my time to read your whole post.

You are part of the problem you describe.

Now we have another post we have to sift through to find the real gems.

If you are trying to participate and be a valuable part of BHW i think u are starting off wrong. Peace.

Dude, chill. Just because my post was too long for you to read doesn't mean you should be so hostile. My post DOES carry meaning - it DOES make a point, actually, in clear contrast to the endless ones that just say things like "cool, dude" or whatever. If you cannot see that simple difference then don't take it out on me.

This thread is on-topic in a forum for feedback about the website and suggests that its policies could potentially be changed or tweaked. I understand that any such changes may be difficult or impossible since they may lead to other much worse problems, but I'm just providing my feedback after weeks of reading a LOT of threads here.

I think you're taking things a little too personally and may be missing the point because you don't want to take the time to read all my text. If not, fine, but don't bash me because of your inclinations.
 
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