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My kindle journey to a passive income

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by OnMGrind, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Hello BHW!

    I've been on this forum for a while looking at many different money making methods and reading many journeys. I am proud to say I am starting my first journey thread.

    I will be using Amazon KDP on this journey.

    I will first start writing Non-fiction... mostly short guides. If I can make a decent passive income, maybe 50$ a day, I will start writing Fiction. I understand it is unrealistic to make anything near 50$ a day unless my book is BOMB or I have a ton of books out there, but I want to do this all manually. Maybe if I make my 50$ a day mark i will try to outsource and scale up.

    For my first book I will not be worried about kindle/keyword research. I will be writing a guide on how to do something that I am fairly familiar with. Many people know of this and have this problem or will have this problem sometime in life.

    So at the moment I am at the library and will try to finish up the rest of the book. I am currently at chapter 2 with 1.1k words. Depending on how it works out, I'm looking at 4-6k words for my first book.


    SO FAR...


    I have learned... every time i write a couple hundred words... that my writing sounds better another way... so i end up rewriting everything. Changing things around... sometimes deleting whole paragraphs. Guess I'm terrible at writing... but Im glad I am rereading my stuff... because every time it sounds better. But if i wait and read it later... i usually find ways to make it better ... or things i dont need. or things i do need.. lol

    BTW... Just letting you guys know... I write like a retard with turrents on forums/social media and other online things... No idea why. I love using "....." I know its not correct, but I do it. I never care about my grammar or punctuation or spelling for some reason. too much time wasted. But when I write things like school work or like letters, everything sounds like I didnt write it and some white dude with a suite wrote it. So dont read my threads/posts and think I cant write. I am edumacated (not really). I just dont like to write proper. I love sounding like a hood rat... JK ... but yea thats how i type normally.

    Wish me luck guys.
     
  2. LukeYoung

    LukeYoung Newbie

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    Hi

    Glad you are trying to make a living with Kindle. I'm on the similar road. I'm also trying to form a group on Skype that is related to KDP publishing where we share tips, tricks, advises and reviews. Let me know if you would like to join by sharing your Skype username.
     
  3. JazzyJohnny

    JazzyJohnny Newbie

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    This would be an interesting venture and one I haven't even thought about. I will follow your journey!
     
  4. himanuzo

    himanuzo Supreme Member

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    Keep updating this thread until you meet your goal - $50/day. Good luck!
     
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  5. khayos

    khayos Newbie

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    On Kindle keywords are key. Not worrying about them on your first book will surely lead to some disappointment when the sales/downloads are not rolling in. Always research your keywords.

    Second, kindle is a numbers game. Erasing and rewriting takes time that other authors are already using to publish a similar guide on your same niche. See what I'm saying? Write it once all the way through, then read through and edit it once. Then publish. You will never make money if you can't make it to the Publish button.

    Other than that, goodluck!
     
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  6. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Just curious (not trying to say your wrong or anything, I honestly don't know, thats why I am asking)

    You say keywords are key. Just wondering how that works when people say content is king.

    I know they say that about making websites/youtube videos/blogs and stuff... SO is keywords really that important?

    Say making a book with super awsome content is white hat. Would keywords be like greyhat?

    Also, if you just focus on content, are you saying just because its a great book, it wont get as many buys because the keywords are bad? Just wondering...

    Because if what your saying is right... i could just make really shitty books and work on learning how to use keywords and still make crazy money.

    To me that sounds bad... but if its true, I will just type up mad books and work on the marketing/keyword aspect.

    Its like, i obviously would love 1000$ as soon as possible (keyword route)... but if i could make 100$ a month from 1 book because it was a great book, that would be cool..(content)

    but is there a half life to keywords? or is there not? is it just way better to get a great keyword method and throw books out like hot cakes... not worrying about content?


    Obviously keyword + great content would be best... but just wondering.

    I always wonder about time vs reward. Sorry if the questions are jumbled
     
  7. khayos

    khayos Newbie

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    It all depends on if you want to be entirely profit minded or not. Content is important as people will refund shitty books, and on the other hand will keep it if it is good. However, before that even happens, they have to be able to find your book. Good content or bad content, it doesn't matter if no one is downloading. Keywords, titles, covers, and blurbs. Those are key.
     
  8. lbazso

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    Yes, Khayos is totally right. Title and keywords, the 2 most important, then the cover (!) that what drives the clicks to your book, then you gotta have a great book description, where you can also use some keywords. Plus the content, because people will tend to get a refund if it's not worth it.
    I recommend the free promo too (by KDP) for a couple of days. Do it on the weekdays, then it will give a little push to your book and they might buy it over the weekend, once it has a better position.

    Hope it helps a little bit. I have also started my journey a month ago and not making much but I enjoy it a lot.
    Some of my books are outsourced, some of them I write them myself. Good luck!
     
  9. GringoMonkey

    GringoMonkey Regular Member

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    Good Keywords, title, cover enable people to find your book and generate sales.

    Good Content ensures they don't ask for a refund.
     
  10. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    OKAY

    So I FINISHED my book.
    I haven't had much time because my new job's hours. I work 3-11pm so like... u know the library isnt open 24/7 lol...

    Anyways I'm going to now apply to KPDS and hope for the best. I dunno if the format is right. I got some help by the nice people of this forum with a template, but not sure if I messed it up or not. Will update!


    EDIT __

    SIgned up for KDPS ... forgot to make a cover... so technically the book isnt done. -.-

    Working on that now. WIsh me luck
     
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  11. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Ok so converting properly sucks ass. Havent made the cover page yet. So frustrated. Every time i see if it looks good on kindle previewer it looks retarded.
     
  12. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Published my first book. Waiting to be accepted.

    Just curious, anyone know about the copywrite thing. Public and something else? I put the private one but is my stuff copywrited or do i need to get it somewheee
     
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    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    GOT ACCEPTED. 7 UNITS DOWNLOADED


    I'm currently in the 5 day period. Its already 12 pm... 7 Downloaded. I always see people with 100s or 1000s of free downloads... So its kinda discouraging.

    I'm looking for places to promote.
     
  14. LukeYoung

    LukeYoung Newbie

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    Without promoting the eBook while it's in the free promo, you are never going to get any downloads and if you don't get free downloads, you will not get sales.

    I've been getting only around 100-150 downloads per day when I was running free promo days and that only resulted in couple of sales each week.

    What does this mean?

    You need to do marketing. You cannot lean on Amazon and say them to promote your eBook. People are publishing on Kindle like crazy because they find out Kindle is an easy way to earn money online.

    Getting thousands of downloads per day when you are running free promo is a bit better. I've been seeing people who average 20K downloads a day in free promo days which almost always results in incredible sales after the free promo days end. But they invest money in FB Ads, Adwords and promotion all around the Internet. They also continue promoting their eBook even after the free promo days are over which results in even more sales.

    But also, it's not only marketing. Getting reviews, picking great keywords, creating good cover, writing good description etc.. also counts.
    And of course, luck! :)

    Hope I helped a bit
     
  15. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Yea man... I think i wasted time with this book... lol

    Its non fiction... and although I can BS college papers... I guess I'm not good enough to BS non-fiction books.
    I stopped the promotion after 2 days... Because I wanted to TRY using good keywords...

    Was able to find 3 decent keywords... but other than that... its a BLOW

    My cover sucks (used the stock images kindle provides )

    Only applied to some of the free book promotion places.... (dont even know if they accepted... probably just wasted time applying)

    No reviews. I had 29 free downloads in 2 days... no reviews. Not even to tell me it was shitty. I would have preferred if they all told me my book was crap. At least I would know... U know?

    I have a guy that offered to help me with facebook advertisment... Well more like he said he can make any comment top comment... Don't know if it will work. He said he can do 1 free time... So I'm gonna work on a better book... maybe fiction (not sure yet).... And then try his free comment boost... If it works Ill try doing that.

    I just have no freaken money right now. About to get some money on friday from my job... but its rough living in the car. Plus I got things I have to pay for or I go to jail -.-


    TLTR
    First book was a flop!.

    I completely overestimated myself. But I learned a bunch. Hopefully next book will get me some sales.
     
  16. GringoMonkey

    GringoMonkey Regular Member

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    I disagree with that.

    I never put my books on FREE promo and sell a lot of books, my best sell over 100 per day each. The average closer to 5-10.

    The key is picking the niche and the keywords to promote them so they hit the first page.

    Once there sales take care of them self and Amazon promote them for you.

    Extra marketing is fine if the book is selling but if it is not you need to ask the question why isn't it selling via Amazon and it usually gets back to the niche you choose and the keywords you use to promote them on Amazon.

    Make sure you can hit first page, see what competitors are offering in the same niche and make sure yours is better.
     
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  17. LukeYoung

    LukeYoung Newbie

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    Very interesting. If everything you said is true, than I'm probably having poor choice of keywords. However, that is probably because I actually don't even bother finding profitable keywords and niches. I just write about things I like or have some basic interest. That's why I'm terrible fiction writer but I can write pretty good when it comes to non-fiction. If you are selling around 100 copies a day from your best selling eBook than I'm guessing you are writing fiction as that really sells good if you choose a good topic.
     
  18. Pinger030

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    Hey OnMGrind,
    I have been following your journey since the beginning and it is no wonder that you failed. I would like to quote a few sentences from you:

    These are just a few excerpts. You've seen that there are people who earn a lot of money with Kindle books and you started to write your book without thinking/researching. You ask the simplest questions that you can answer yourself through the Google search. But you had just the dollars in your eyes - And exactly THAT point let´s you fail!

    Your intention must be to provide a useful product that helps your customers - not to make money as fast as you can. If your product is helpful then the money flows by alone. Content in a specific niche where the people are interested in is the one thing but you can write the best book if it is invisible for your potential readers. So the next step is to market your book well. Your big problem is: "Oh, I forgot to make a the cover", "Oh, my cover sucks", "Oh, I don´t know how to format an ebook", "Oh, are keywords really important?" and so on - You are not able to implement the simplest "marketing methods". These are basics that every author is knowing and using (and you don´t need to invest much money to make these basics perfect). And I guess you don't know of these basic marketing possibilities. And if you are not able to make these basic things as perfect as you can, you don´t have any chance AND you waste your time and money to think about external marketing strategies like Facebook and so on if you dont even master the easiest steps.

    Perhaps that was a little bit harsh but I want to wake you up finally. You will be not successful with any business if you do not know the simplest things about your business. How to analyze the market? How to find good keywords? How to format a book? How to write a catchy description? How to hire a cover designer? How to use the free download period reasonable?

    My advice is: Read everything that you can find about Kindle publishing before you waqste your time with your next book. Read the "Guys, Kindle is the ticket thread" completely, read a step by step tutorial (from how you get an idea, find keywords, format everything right ...to publish a book), watch tutorials on YouTube, read other blogs and forums about selfpublishing, maybe buy some marketing wso´s and so on.

    When I started a few months ago it took me (only) a month until I have read everything. In the end I found no new information - That was the point when I said "It´s time to begin". I searched about 3 houres for a good niche but it paid off, because today I still publish books in this niche. So it´s your choice: a) You can still try your luck and publish books randomly in different niches or b) You can learn how to research the market for a good niche/keyword, take the time to find a good selling niche and stay there (and maybe dominate the niche with the time) for months!

    It´s only your choice but I would suggest you to use the second method, because: If you have a good niche you will be sure that your upcoming books are successful with the first day. With the time you will have a lot of customers who are willing to buy. You can easily take the traffic to your niche website, facebook site and so on to sell them (your) other product like audiobooks, mobile apps, videos, courses and so on - the possibilities of different passive income streams are endless and you can make thousand of dollars with just ONE niche. In the end you have a big network of different products for your niche. It is working like a symbiosis and every product pushes each other and keep them successful for the future. You just have to deal with it ONCE how to analyze the market to change your life FOREVER!

    Most Internet Businesses working this way (they just start with other products). Even outside of the internet it works this way. Why do you not want to go this proofed way? You don't have to reinvent the wheel to become successful!

    DON´T WRITE ANOTHER BOOK (TO MAKE LESS MONEY IN A SHORT TIME) BUT LEARN ABOUT HOW TO ANALYIZE THE MARKET CORRECTLY (TO MAKE MUCH MUCH MONEY FOREVER).
     
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  19. OnMGrind

    OnMGrind Junior Member

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    Everyone here that writes successful and non successful kindle books... How long are you books. And is it non fiction or fiction?
     
  20. khayos

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    I have to agree with Pinger and Gringo on this one. From the beginning, it was quite obvious that you were going to fail on this first attempt. Your attitude was one of "Oh, I can't do that, I guess I just suck" instead of "I can't do that well, but I'm not going to accept mediocrity so I'll learn and try my best to improve."

    When I started in the Kindle game, I was much like Pinger. Reading and reading and reading everything I could. I published two books that were a complete flop, but I identified where my problem was. I worked extremely hard, fixed it, and the rest is history. I wasn't going to accept mediocrity and definitely not failure.

    The vibe I get from this whole thread is just bad. I'm sorry for being harsh, but I really am trying to help. You need to be on top of your shit, and when you mess up, not treat it as a joke. That's the only way you'll improve.