I recommend getting jr vip cause you'd be on your way to higher status soon on the forum. Numbers don't guarantee higher status like jr exec but... for some reason guys with high numbers get that status.

It's like a club of people who wear black hats. By donating to the forum you get exclusive things and show you care. https://www.blackhatworld.com/account/upgrades

Plus you can link to your own threads in signature which would bring more awareness on what business is about.

And I see you know what it is about. It's making money, getting removed, then making money again and then getting financially free as you don't have to do anything more than make money to work for your money like W. Buffett.

At 5% interest and $1m bank account you'd have $50k which is enough to retire in low cost jurisdictions.
 
Man, you’ve already reached greatness IMHO. Giving the fact that you had multiple $100k, you should have already secured your future. Just live your life and stop working so much.
Small update.
I improve the account creation process a bit. It took me longer than I wanted it to take.
One device can create approximately 250 accounts per day but the trick is to keep them alive.

I spoke to a guy that has 250 phones just to create FB accounts.
He says he creates 80k per day which sounds insane but if I understood correctly, they all get banned eventually.
He said it is "unavoidable" but I would like to keep my accounts alive for an indefinite amount of time.

During my test, the success rate of creating accounts was much higher if the account creator is on the newest version.
This makes sense because > 90% would be on the newest version with auto update.

BTW, IG knows if you got your APK from the official store or from some website.
The official APKs are signed by the store. I didn't test if it makes a difference since I get my APKs for creating accounts from the store anways to keep them up to date.

It's just annoying when they change the flow a bit and I need to update.
There are three different screens that can appear right now which would ask you to sync your contacts.

In the meantime I will continue the quest to find the most suitable way to change device data.
From my current knowledge, there are 4 ways to do it and all are vastly different from each other.

All of them require intensive studying and understanding.
I don't have time for that right now so I will stick with number one (my Xposed module) and try to improve it as much as possible.
Recently I had a bad experience regarding this. When I investigated like action blocks, I found out that they immediately disappear when I turn of my device changer.
When I turn it on again (with the same session), the action blocks appear again. I will investigate that further.

One alternative way to change device data would be to use virtual machines.
This sounds promising as it would allow multiple VMs to run at the same time on one device.
From my power usage, it doesn't seem like Instagram would require that many resources from the phones so maybe with this I could run 2 or even more VMs at the same time on one phone.
But these are just some thoughts, I don't know how feasible that is.
Man, you’ve already reached greatness IMHO. Giving the fact that you had multiple months of +$100k, you should have already secured your future. Just live your life and stop working so much.
 
@AllOutAnime So I'm guessing you are done with this journey? You mentioned in other thread that:
"Don't even bother with Android unless you have an expert and know what you are doing.
Accounts get disabled very quickly."
Switched to iOS? How is it going?
 
Thank you very much for all the positive vibes in the thread.
I didn't update for a while because I had nothing worthwhile to report.
Still working on my device farm every day.

I figured I pay $1500 to AWS every month for just a few servers.
I recently got the new AX162-S from Hetzner to consolidate all of it there.
I will also move the API for controlling my devices there so I could easily support multiple locations if I wanted to.

Started getting into iOS for account creation but I think I will stick to Android because it is much easier to manage.
iOS is limited in terms of devices and iOS versions you can run which makes devices even more expensive.
Who knows if jailbreaking will still be around in a few years since people seem to get less and less interested in it.
There has to be a way to get the same trust on Android.

I gave up on the RapidAPI for now.
All I got was thousands of bot accounts that wanted to leech the free plan and zero profit.
Probably all endpoints Instagram offers are needed to make a decent profit and I don't have time right now.


I recommend getting jr vip cause you'd be on your way to higher status soon on the forum. Numbers don't guarantee higher status like jr exec but... for some reason guys with high numbers get that status.

It's like a club of people who wear black hats. By donating to the forum you get exclusive things and show you care. https://www.blackhatworld.com/account/upgrades

Plus you can link to your own threads in signature which would bring more awareness on what business is about.

And I see you know what it is about. It's making money, getting removed, then making money again and then getting financially free as you don't have to do anything more than make money to work for your money like W. Buffett.

At 5% interest and $1m bank account you'd have $50k which is enough to retire in low cost jurisdictions.

During my career in this forum I had Jr. Vip multiple times and didn't feel the value of it for me.
The special forums are a ghost town and currently I'm not selling anything here.
Since all SMM panels are bad quality right now, I might get it to offer SMM services when I have enough quality accounts.

I gravely neglected financial education until now which is probably a grave mistake.
Maybe it's crazy but I rather have a company/service I built that runs on auto pilot give me money than some "investment".
Having a well running system gives me peace of mind.

Man, you’ve already reached greatness IMHO. Giving the fact that you had multiple $100k, you should have already secured your future. Just live your life and stop working so much.

Man, you’ve already reached greatness IMHO. Giving the fact that you had multiple months of +$100k, you should have already secured your future. Just live your life and stop working so much.

I take more time with my kid right now. They are only small for a few years and then they go to school, have friends and you barely see them.
I want to treasure that time as much as possible.

@AllOutAnime So I'm guessing you are done with this journey? You mentioned in other thread that:
"Don't even bother with Android unless you have an expert and know what you are doing.
Accounts get disabled very quickly."
Switched to iOS? How is it going?

I will only be done when I reach some good numbers and are happy with it.
Still working on the Android farm since I have it for over a year already.
As mentioned above I don't really like iOS much because apple makes everything restrictive but if this turns out to be the way, I will oblige.
 
During my career in this forum I had Jr. Vip multiple times and didn't feel the value of it for me.
The special forums are a ghost town and currently I'm not selling anything here.
Since all SMM panels are bad quality right now, I might get it to offer SMM services when I have enough quality accounts.

I gravely neglected financial education until now which is probably a grave mistake.
Maybe it's crazy but I rather have a company/service I built that runs on auto pilot give me money than some "investment".
Having a well running system gives me peace of mind.
Thanks for reply. I was just wondering why you don't have that status. That's how our brains are wired.

When you see lucky.sparks having "exec vip" you think "ohh, he must be the one".

But actually that's deceptive and sometimes hardcore players are inconspicuous.

It's like with cars, you have an expensive car - people think you're wealthy.

I would even think that someone who has "anime" in the profile name just cannot have numbers. Yes, that's my european prejudice.

But... all is tricky. I just found out about you and I gave you a follow based on the information you provided.

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Well before I zoomed into this photo I thought that's some anime figure.
 
Thanks for reply. I was just wondering why you don't have that status. That's how our brains are wired.

When you see lucky.sparks having "exec vip" you think "ohh, he must be the one".

But actually that's deceptive and sometimes hardcore players are inconspicuous.

It's like with cars, you have an expensive car - people think you're wealthy.

I would even think that someone who has "anime" in the profile name just cannot have numbers. Yes, that's my european prejudice.

But... all is tricky. I just found out about you and I gave you a follow based on the information you provided.

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Well before I zoomed into this photo I thought that's some anime figure.
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
I am not here to sell something specifically.
"Looking rich" only attracts the wrong kind of people.
I'm always interested in working together with quality people but they should see if it is a fit from my content and not if I have a certain status.

I got the name when I signed up as a 15 year old watching anime, I am still watching frequently though when there is time.

The profile pic is the tallest building in Tokyo. I'd like to have an apartment there in the top floors but prices start at $10M for 50m² which is quite small.
I have it here to motivate me to keep going.
 
I guessed right that it's probably Tokyo. It's kinda scary. Both that city and these outrageous prices. Well so it represents something really expensive and its value is questionable. Cool. :D it's like bugatti for apartments or smth. Just hard to see from distance.

So $10k a day and you got it in couple years. Nice goal. I think quite realistic for a big thinker with big ideas. I'm only 25, so I'm not gonna probably be of big help but... I'll follow painstakingly here. I like to share everything I do for some reason. Guess I'm a social creature.

People say it's great to be in 20s but it's like seeing the real world with open eyes for the first time. So you need to learn how to use that power and that usually happens in 30s then later. I see many successful people are around 40 and later.

You get $1k a day, then only 10x that and you have $10k a day.

The problem is if you depend solely on social media or google traffic it will be hard to keep client base and sell to the same people over and over again.

I don't know what and how you're selling / marketing with your setup, but I'd be interested to hear. With this type of goal it'd be smart to think of long term client value.

Without long funnels and own products it will be hard to cross 6 figures monthly. I think you can achieve 7 figures monthly if you push your own funnels with own products. And above these numbers it's magic. 8 figures monthly? I'm not dare to think about it.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/my-journey-to-greatness.1516469/page-4#post-16934807
Criminals have personality disorders. White hat people if don't think about massive growth which is sort of black hat may fail early and give up.

Grey hat is where we should be.

That's the sweet spot.

With illegal stuff you start making money on day 1 and after a year you have 6 figures monthly if you scale it. I don't recommend it.

They usually start off selling couple grams of substances, then go hard because they don't know anything else and it's really easy to sell kilos instead of grams.

It's ignorance + personality disorders that pushes them forward.

Everyone in this world can be surprised about how much they don't know.
 
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Thank you for the kind words!
Unfortunately I invested everything I had back into the Instagram business in the form of Ads or talent.
I don't have any savings, actually I'm kind of broke and just live from month-to-month right now.
I just wanted to grow this as soon as possible.
In some months I was spending over $100k in Ads.
During high times, I had 14 people working for me full-time.

Numerous times I thought about building a "proper business" but on the other side, the grass always seems greener than it really is.
If you are doing something simple like shipping products, there could always be somebody that finds your supplier and undercuts your prices or you have delivery issues.
In the past 8 months, I tried to start something else and had less focus on Instagram. I think this is what caused my demise with the Instagram system in the end because it lacked updates.

The two other endevors didn't bring much profit until now and Instagram is going down.
Because of that I will shift my focus back to completely Instagram since this has been working for 10 years.
I have reduced the team to the bare minimum of 3 members. I want to go back to the basics and take it to the maximum what is possible now.

Another issue I noticed is that I got out of the daily business operations too much.
You know how it is said to grow the business, you need to work on the business, not in the business.
But since I left the main tasks to other people, I was more free but it took longer to get things done.
I get it they are not as invested in the project as I am so for the future I must ensure things move fast and smooth.
What do I need to search to educate myself on the Instagram method your speaking of. I'm completely new ro this. I have a farm of about 150 phones that I run my and other artists music catalogs on. Would love to purpose the phones for something that is more profitable.
 
I am not satisfied with 6 or even 7 figures so I tried as hard as I could to go above it as quickly as I could.

Money comes in through promoting digital services/products through Instagram.
I don't want to go into too much detail of what it is exactly because I don't want many people to do the same.
Instead this should be more about entrepreneurship and working with Instagram in general so everybody could apply some strategies to their own business.

With IM there is always this problem that no matter what you do, there are always people from poorer countries that are willing to offer what you offer for a 10th of the price because they are fine with that revenue as well. Usually the wage in their country is $200 or so and they are happy to make $3000. I have no problem with this, I just don't want to deal with it if I can avoid it.

For example some people here have journeys here where they talk about dating + CPA and promoting it on Instagram.
I already saw some recent jobs related to that on upwork portfolios of some automation developers.
They developed chatbots and similar things to interact with people to get them to sign up on a dating site.

Back to the Ads- I was promoting a digital service through Instagram and it went well.
The CLV was nice so I thought to boost it with Ads.
The thing is this was subscription based so it took several months to reach that value.

I tested to promote it with Ads and spend $10k in the first few months. The results were promising, ROI with Ads was 300%.
Then I scaled it to $25k per month and things still looked good. At that time things got more competitive so I decided to go all in.
The next months I spent over $100k on Ads per month until I realized CLV was suddenly much lower. So low in fact that I was loosing money.
I lowered the spend to more reasonable amounts later on.

I would say the majority of the funds really went into developers to get new features into the existing project as well as developers to work on new ones that failed.

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Today I also wanted to talk about the Android set-up.
For me it is important that everything is very modular so it scales well.
You cannot simply connect 1000 phones to a single computer and hope that it will work.

All my phones are connected via LAN because that is the most stable and most modular set-up I could think of.
I saw phone farms with dozens of Wifi access points to handle the internet of those phones but I did not want that.
Instead I can hook up all devices to a switch and be done with it. Internet and device communication flows over Ethernet.
The 4G dongles are also connected to that network and phones can use it directly.
For me it was important that the phones communicate directly with the 4G dongles and this does not go through the control pc.
Routing all traffic through a pc is an additional source of issues that I don't want to deal with.

All devices have their own internal IP that will be used to interact with them.
Additionally, all the logic of operations is done by one API server that will just dish out the information what a particular phone should do.

Then I have the Software that controls the actions of the phones. There I use ADB + Appium with UIAutomator2.

So now we have a computer that runs the control software.
This software connects to the phones I want. Then for each phone, it calls the API that tells it what to do.

To sum it up again, there is the central API server that knows everything and tells everybody what to do.
I have the control computer that runs the software to control the devices and I hade the devices themselves.

To show the modularity, out of 60 devices, I could have 30 phones connect to control pc1 and 30 phones to control pc2.
Then those two control pcs call the API for instructions.

This should be easily scalable to 1000s of devices if needed.

Secondly I will tell a bit of how the devices themselves operate.
All devices are rooted and have custom Xposed modules to change hardware information for Instagram and allow several other things.
Accounts are simply switched by switching some data on the phone.
Usually I only need to log into an account once, I don't want to waste time with useless operations.

Here it is how it works on a per-device basis.

First there is the API call to get instructions.
This tells the device which account to use and which actions to perform.

Then the account is loaded onto the device.
The program checks if everything is fine and tries to correct it if not.
The program ensures that a 4G proxy is attached and working properly.
Then the app is launched and the program checks if it opened successfully.
Afterwards the actions are performed. Every action is reporting back to the API.
In case there is an error, a screenshot with error description is saved so I could check it later.
Lastly, the new account data is saved.
Then it begins from the start.

So far I'm happy with this design and it should work well for the future.
I wonder how would a person translate this setup from Android to Iphone.
 
I didn't update for quite a while, mostly because nothing noteworthy has happened.
I have been working on improving my whole set-up.
I noticed many things I did wrong and that can be improved.
I have spoken to many unbelievably skilled people here that have really opened my eyes in many ways.

I will switch the proxies from dongles to something else- most likely 5G phones.
The phones are connected over LAN and will run the proxy software themselves.

Like this not a single PC hosting the software can go down to stop all operations.
The experience with dongles was horrible, I needed to disconnect the dongle physically all the time.

I have spent a long time on account registration since this was always an issue.
Bought accounts die quickly and to scale the operations, I need a reliable source of accounts.

My goal is now to create at least 1000 accounts per day sustained.
I have 3 ways of creating the accounts.
I always disliked that my journey is somewhat "intangible" because I don't post any stats so I will start to post some Instagram related stats.

In terms of monetization, the winner is selling SMM services so I will focus on that for the time being.
Probably I will open a sales thread here as well when the time is ripe.
I want to provide quality services but they won't be cheap.
 
I didn't update for quite a while, mostly because nothing noteworthy has happened.
That's the mindset these kids should learn instead of posting 30 pages of "I uploaded a video to YouTube and made $5k in 6 months". hahaha

They need to learn from the BOYS.
I have spoken to many unbelievably skilled people here that have really opened my eyes in many ways.
Yes, that's the most important step relationship wise.
The experience with dongles was horrible, I needed to disconnect the dongle physically all the time.
Oh no, no. The production and devices for production must be INDUSTRIAL class. Nothing less. They cannot be worse than powerful.
I want to provide quality services but they won't be cheap.
QQTube is providing views on YouTube at $4.20 / 1000 with 20 seconds watch time. And that ranks my garbage. And then you can compete with them if you are so brave. But, QQTube accepts sellers and you can start selling there too. They've been 12 years in the business of SMM and are probably one of the longest running providers ever.

So you can also make friends among competition.

During high times, I had 14 people working for me full-time.
Yeah. What did they do for you? I found there's a lot of stuff that I did manually for other people and now I managed to automate 99% of that stuff, so I can write them out of business without employees.

Read it once again. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/my-journey-to-greatness.1516469/#post-16627171

Not satisfied with $1m. Because that's low. They make that type of cash daily at high levels.
It's not something your brain can't comprehend to make $1m a day. It wouldn't change much and it wouldn't break the reality.
You need to not be influenced by money to be great.
Cause if you're influenced by money, you will see numbers and stop working cause you'll think "I got enough of cash". That's the mindset of poor families that get money, then go broke (0 cash), then get money again. You need to get out of that sick cycle.

You always need money to come in -> cash flow. You cannot run on savings and then jobs, then savings. You need to have revenue generation system with cash flow separated from yourself.
 
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Oh no, no. The production and devices for production must be INDUSTRIAL class. Nothing less. They cannot be worse than powerful.
I'm sure any proxy seller that sells dongles will tell you they are "industrial grade" but in reality they are cheap shit.

QQTube is providing views on YouTube at $4.20 / 1000 with 20 seconds watch time. And that ranks my garbage. And then you can compete with them if you are so brave. But, QQTube accepts sellers and you can start selling there too. They've been 12 years in the business of SMM and are probably one of the longest running providers ever.

So you can also make friends among competition.
Interesting. Providing YT views would require Google accounts and that is usually tied to the Android system and harder to spoof.
I know how to make it happen but I'm not there yet.

Yeah. What did they do for you? I found there's a lot of stuff that I did manually for other people and now I managed to automate 99% of that stuff, so I can write them out of business without employees.
7 people developed the website. The stack was serverless with React, 3 front-end, 2 back-end, 2 QA.
5 people worked on providing the services. 3 worked on reverse-engineering Instagram and 2 worked on implementing the changes.
2 people worked on a side project that was abandoned.

None of this could have been automated. This was in times before GPT existed for coding.
Nowadays 1 - 2 devs can replace an entire team by leveraging GPT so I would never do it again the same way.

I thought about having huge man power to move things fast but in the end it was not that fast.

Read it once again. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/my-journey-to-greatness.1516469/#post-16627171

Not satisfied with $1m. Because that's low. They make that type of cash daily at high levels.
It's not something your brain can't comprehend to make $1m a day. It wouldn't change much and it wouldn't break the reality.
You need to not be influenced by money to be great.
Cause if you're influenced by money, you will see numbers and stop working cause you'll think "I got enough of cash". That's the mindset of poor families that get money, then go broke (0 cash), then get money again. You need to get out of that sick cycle.

You always need money to come in -> cash flow. You cannot run on savings and then jobs, then savings. You need to have revenue generation system with cash flow separated from yourself.
Exactly, as long as you build several cash flow machines, you'll always be fine.
I don't do it for the money, I do it because something drives me and tells me I can do it.
It is not about the money, it's about achieving it and having 10m/month would mean freedom for me because I could do anything I want.
 
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