AllOutAnime

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After being in this community for quite some time, I decided to talk a bit about the stuff I am doing.
There is no concrete goal except for achieving greatness and 9-figure months so I don't have to think about money ever again.
Because of that I will just write about what I am doing and share my thoughts.

I will use this post as an introduction. Still being a teenager, I came to this forum in 2007 because I wanted to learn more about Xrumer.
I started a forum about Anime and wanted to rank it in Google to get new members.
I read somewhere that this magical tool Xrumer exists and searching about it brought me to BHW.
In hopes of finding a crack, I shortly gave up and bought a regular license for (I think) $450 which was all the money I had saved up at that time.

Prior to that, I had fallen in love with an MMORPG (good old times) called Silkroad Online.
It was infested with bots and without using one you would get nowhere.
You could let the bot run 24/7 and it would farm gold/levels for you.
It was a great feeling to let it run over night and to wake up to a rare item or lots of gold.

Back to the Xrumer days.
After getting my forum to the top ranks for anime forum, I had free capacity for my Xrumer license.
I saw that people are interested in Xrumer blasts and so I started selling them on some forums.
While it lasted, I earned $1000 per month which was a lot for me back then.
But like in the game, I could let Xrumer run over night while I was sleeping and collect my money when I woke up.
This flipped a switch in me and I never wanted to "work" for my money (I never had a job in my entire life yet).

This brought me into the world of IM but this "easy money" with Xrumer was some kind of curse.
I got more into IM, learned a lot more about websites, SEO, programming and tried to earn more money.
When more and more people started to offer blasts, the prices were so low that I stopped doing it.
I tried building websites, affiliate marketing, etc. but I never earned a considerable amount with it.

When I was on the brink of giving up (I was doing part-time work as software developer), some guy partnered with me to develop Facebook Apps in combination with CPALead.
It didn't last long but while it lasted it was unbelievable.
The guy earned over 100k USD in one single day and I earned 30k over the course of our collaboration.
One day the guy simply disappeared and I never heard from him again, it was kind of strange.
Shortly after that this became saturated as well because some people sold a script for $50 that would do what we did.

Many people started to launch apps on Facebook and FB started to launch campaigns against it.
After that I struggled again for quite some time without finding something that works.
At that time I was starting university and because I spent all that money, I was basically broke and lived from month-to-month working as developer that would receive $150 to create a custom bot.
It was hard work especially since all the clients kept nagging me about every kind of bug and demanded a free fix.
I was basically working over 100 hours for one bot before I could move on.
It were tough times.

Then I got into Instagram in 2013. Xgram bot was the hottest thing and everybody had success with it. Instagram didn't have many limits and you could reach the explore page easily.
The worst thing that could happen to the account was a captcha verification. IG was not yet owned by FB.
I created some bots for it and started to promote some things.
This went really well and I made $10k per month on a regular basis.
It demanded all of my time and I dropped out of university to do this full-time.
Shortly after, I reached $50k per month consistently.
I have been working with Instagram exclusively ever since by using a custom developed system.
Since then there were ups and downs. I had 6-figure months for several years but unfortunately things are not as smooth right now and I dropped back to 5-figure months.

For the entire time I have been working almost all day (3 hours relaxing before sleep) every day.
Many people would consider that too much but I have the burning passion to reach my goals.
I know that if I keep going, I can reach them and I don't want to take it slow just to regret it later when I'm old.

I don't think I'm particularly smart, in the contrary, I even think I'm stupid.
Everybody can reach their goals if they just stick to them no matter what.
And it was never easy. There were weeks where I didn't know what to do, where I got thoughts to just quit but I always made it through those moments.

Here is my first piece of wisdom. If you keep doing something, it is inevitable that you will reach your goal eventually.
The question is only how long will it take to reach your goal?
If you want to remove a mountain with a spoon you can do it, it will just take 5000 years or so.
Nobody lives that long so you should do your best to shorten the time to reach your goal as much as possible.

So what am I doing now?

A recent Instagram update completely messed up the system I had for interacting with Instagram.
They removed 80% of the accounts in the matter of a week.
We are speaking about 10s of thousands of accounts that lived for years.
Probably it was inevitable.
It uses the private API of the smartphone Apps and nowadays so much data is being transferred there that it's almost impossible to replicate that in a bot.
Also I'm tired of reverse-engineering a new Instagram version for months and to try to replicate it as closely as possible.

Because of that I recently started a farm with Android devices.
Currently I have 60 devices and 6 4G dongles.
If it works, I will scale it more.
2000 accounts are running there without too many issues.

The only problem right now is creating new accounts.
For some reason every account I create with my devices is immediately flagged after creation.
I will work on that when I have some more time.
For now I'm working on fleshing out the automation part.

Don't get me wrong.
You can probably still have great success with publicly available tools like MassPlanner/Jarvee (some journeys here use it successfully) but I don't like to jump from method to method just to keep going.
I like to have a working system that scales well.

That's all for now, until the next post.
 
That was a great read. That is what makes a journey interesting, lots of ups and downs.

I've worked with FB and Instagram as well, the problem is, it will always remain a cat and mouse game. They'll keep dropping updates that fucks up your method.

I'm sure you've built enough capital over all these years, why not try something different? Like a proper business. It could be anything that interests you.

Good luck with your journey though, hoping to read regular updates.
 
That was a great read. That is what makes a journey interesting, lots of ups and downs.

I've worked with FB and Instagram as well, the problem is, it will always remain a cat and mouse game. They'll keep dropping updates that fucks up your method.

I'm sure you've built enough capital over all these years, why not try something different? Like a proper business. It could be anything that interests you.

Good luck with your journey though, hoping to read regular updates.
Thank you for the kind words!
Unfortunately I invested everything I had back into the Instagram business in the form of Ads or talent.
I don't have any savings, actually I'm kind of broke and just live from month-to-month right now.
I just wanted to grow this as soon as possible.
In some months I was spending over $100k in Ads.
During high times, I had 14 people working for me full-time.

Numerous times I thought about building a "proper business" but on the other side, the grass always seems greener than it really is.
If you are doing something simple like shipping products, there could always be somebody that finds your supplier and undercuts your prices or you have delivery issues.
In the past 8 months, I tried to start something else and had less focus on Instagram. I think this is what caused my demise with the Instagram system in the end because it lacked updates.

The two other endevors didn't bring much profit until now and Instagram is going down.
Because of that I will shift my focus back to completely Instagram since this has been working for 10 years.
I have reduced the team to the bare minimum of 3 members. I want to go back to the basics and take it to the maximum what is possible now.

Another issue I noticed is that I got out of the daily business operations too much.
You know how it is said to grow the business, you need to work on the business, not in the business.
But since I left the main tasks to other people, I was more free but it took longer to get things done.
I get it they are not as invested in the project as I am so for the future I must ensure things move fast and smooth.
 
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This was a very refreshing read. Surprised you managed to spend everything you made, considering you were making six figures during some months.

I'm not sure I understand why you spend up to $100k per month on ads if they were not brining high ROI. When I think of spending money on ads, I think of money invested in something that's supposed to bring you 1.5+x the amount you spent.

Also, what projects are you working on with Instagram right now, or rather how you monetise your system of accounts?
 
This was a very refreshing read. Surprised you managed to spend everything you made, considering you were making six figures during some months.

I'm not sure I understand why you spend up to $100k per month on ads if they were not brining high ROI. When I think of spending money on ads, I think of money invested in something that's supposed to bring you 1.5+x the amount you spent.

Also, what projects are you working on with Instagram right now, or rather how you monetise your system of accounts?
I am not satisfied with 6 or even 7 figures so I tried as hard as I could to go above it as quickly as I could.

Money comes in through promoting digital services/products through Instagram.
I don't want to go into too much detail of what it is exactly because I don't want many people to do the same.
Instead this should be more about entrepreneurship and working with Instagram in general so everybody could apply some strategies to their own business.

With IM there is always this problem that no matter what you do, there are always people from poorer countries that are willing to offer what you offer for a 10th of the price because they are fine with that revenue as well. Usually the wage in their country is $200 or so and they are happy to make $3000. I have no problem with this, I just don't want to deal with it if I can avoid it.

For example some people here have journeys here where they talk about dating + CPA and promoting it on Instagram.
I already saw some recent jobs related to that on upwork portfolios of some automation developers.
They developed chatbots and similar things to interact with people to get them to sign up on a dating site.

Back to the Ads- I was promoting a digital service through Instagram and it went well.
The CLV was nice so I thought to boost it with Ads.
The thing is this was subscription based so it took several months to reach that value.

I tested to promote it with Ads and spend $10k in the first few months. The results were promising, ROI with Ads was 300%.
Then I scaled it to $25k per month and things still looked good. At that time things got more competitive so I decided to go all in.
The next months I spent over $100k on Ads per month until I realized CLV was suddenly much lower. So low in fact that I was loosing money.
I lowered the spend to more reasonable amounts later on.

I would say the majority of the funds really went into developers to get new features into the existing project as well as developers to work on new ones that failed.

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Today I also wanted to talk about the Android set-up.
For me it is important that everything is very modular so it scales well.
You cannot simply connect 1000 phones to a single computer and hope that it will work.

All my phones are connected via LAN because that is the most stable and most modular set-up I could think of.
I saw phone farms with dozens of Wifi access points to handle the internet of those phones but I did not want that.
Instead I can hook up all devices to a switch and be done with it. Internet and device communication flows over Ethernet.
The 4G dongles are also connected to that network and phones can use it directly.
For me it was important that the phones communicate directly with the 4G dongles and this does not go through the control pc.
Routing all traffic through a pc is an additional source of issues that I don't want to deal with.

All devices have their own internal IP that will be used to interact with them.
Additionally, all the logic of operations is done by one API server that will just dish out the information what a particular phone should do.

Then I have the Software that controls the actions of the phones. There I use ADB + Appium with UIAutomator2.

So now we have a computer that runs the control software.
This software connects to the phones I want. Then for each phone, it calls the API that tells it what to do.

To sum it up again, there is the central API server that knows everything and tells everybody what to do.
I have the control computer that runs the software to control the devices and I hade the devices themselves.

To show the modularity, out of 60 devices, I could have 30 phones connect to control pc1 and 30 phones to control pc2.
Then those two control pcs call the API for instructions.

This should be easily scalable to 1000s of devices if needed.

Secondly I will tell a bit of how the devices themselves operate.
All devices are rooted and have custom Xposed modules to change hardware information for Instagram and allow several other things.
Accounts are simply switched by switching some data on the phone.
Usually I only need to log into an account once, I don't want to waste time with useless operations.

Here it is how it works on a per-device basis.

First there is the API call to get instructions.
This tells the device which account to use and which actions to perform.

Then the account is loaded onto the device.
The program checks if everything is fine and tries to correct it if not.
The program ensures that a 4G proxy is attached and working properly.
Then the app is launched and the program checks if it opened successfully.
Afterwards the actions are performed. Every action is reporting back to the API.
In case there is an error, a screenshot with error description is saved so I could check it later.
Lastly, the new account data is saved.
Then it begins from the start.

So far I'm happy with this design and it should work well for the future.
 
Today I will post my take on personal health because I think many people want to achieve more in their time or "feel" more active.
If you think taking some substances to "boost" would be the answer, I think you are wrong.
Nothing works better than a healthy body and I think no enhancing is susainable in the long term.

When I still went to school, I slept only 5 hours max to get my schedule done with earning money, girlfriend and school.
I took several red bull shots per day to not fall a sleep. After half a year or so I got headaches the whole day and I needed to stop.
Anything you "need" to feel good or stay awake is bad in my opinion. That includes coffee.
If you need a little push, green tea is much better because it distributes the caffeine over a longer period of time.

So here is the plan that works well for me any should work for many others:
Diet:
-Unless you are some professional athlete that needs it, no more than 3 meals per day, no snacks in-between meals.
Compress everything you eat to the meals. So if you want to eat some "snacks", do it right with a meal.
-No processed foods, cook fresh whenever possible and get quality ingredients.
-Only drink water and unsweetened teas.
Drink around 3 liters of pure water per day, depending on your size.
Water should be quality without harmful things (check tap water if you use it) and I have better experiences with low mineral contents.
I think minerals should be consumed through food and not the water.
-Eat vegetables with each meal.
-I would suggest to avoid carbs as much as possible if you can do it.
-Avoid those seed oils and use quality olive oil instead.
For me this was very important. When you eat carbs, your insulin levels fluctuate and usually after a meal you feel more tired.
If you reduce carbs to a minimum, the energy levels are more stable throughout the day and you have the same energy all the time.
-In terms of calories, aim for 60% fat, 30% protein and 10% carbs (from vedgetables like leafy greens).
This is calories, not volume. Note that fat usually has 4x more calories than lean meat and and over 10x more than vedgetables.
Drink a green smoothie a day. I also had good results with green powders like Athletic greens AG1 instead. This is much faster.

If you are too busy to prepare a meal, just prepare it in advance for multiple days or skip the meal.
Try to get at least 12h between the last meal and the next one once a day so your body can recover (sleeping counts).

Supplements:
Even though I said I am against "enhancing substances", vitamins and minerals are essential for your body.
It would be best if you would get checked regularly to see what you need to supplement.
From what I've seen, your local doctor cannot help you with this in most cases, so see a specialist if you can afford it.
There is "orthomolecular medicine" which is dedicated to this.
Try to avoid protein powder and get your protein from natural sources. Pasture raised eggs are your best friend.
If you miss something you might not notice it immediately but it could cause some diseases later on and your body cannot function in top condition if something is lacking.

As a rule of thumb, you could start with this because most people are defficient and it is very important.
1000mg vitamine C (time release)
4000 I.U. vitamine D3 + K2
Omega 3 EPA/DHA, around 800mg
15mg zinc

Workout:
Work out 3-6 times (the more the better) per week.
You should do strength training and cardio.
Do around 1h of training (40 mins strength, 20mins cardio).
Cardio is important to strengthen your cardiovascular system which transports everything in your body.
You should go hard on cardio, something like tahabata is good.
Don't do more than 20mins of cardio per day or results decline.
Never skip leg day, training your legs is very important. Also this improves blood flow to your sexual organs so it should improve things there as well.
Stretch most important parts if you are sitting all day long.

Meditate at least 10 minutes per day to clear your mind.

Sleep:
Your bedroom should be cold, dark (use sleeping mask if required) and noise free.
You should get around 8h of sleep (test what suits you best).
Ideally you wake up without alarm clock.
Go to bed the same time, every day, even week-ends.

There is nothing against watching netflix or doing something else that is unproductive to relax.
Nobody can be productive all the time. It is like yin and yang, night and dark.
If you work hard, you must also relax but also do it "hard".
If you do something relaxing, be in the moment and focus on it.
If you watch netflix, concentrate on the show. Don't be on the smartphone at the same time or think about work while relaxing.
Focus entirely on the thing you are doing.
Same the other way around, if you work, focus on that and nothing else.
Many people think about free time when they work and think about work in their free time and then they wonder why they are stressed.

Those rules are not set in stone, we are humans, not robots. Try to adhere to it as much as possible and don't feel bad if you have some hiccups along the way.

These are the basics that should get you the majority of the results.
Taking a few pills seems so much easier than doing all that but in the end you want to be healthy your entire life and not have some issues when you are older.
As people age, their bad life choices accumulate and this is why older people generally feel more miserable than younger ones.
Of course aging play a major roll but you can also control how much.
 
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How reliable is affiliate based on Instagram now and near future? Should we move to platforms like threads now?
Threads basically is Instagram. It operates on IG infrastructure so I think if you don't have success on IG, your success on Threads will be limited as well.
I would say you can still do pretty much everything on Instagram as long as you are mindful of what you are doing. The days of just spamming it are over.
I suggest you to check other success stories here where people talk about how they use IG with CPA.

That being said, it is always good to diversify over multiple platforms if that is an option for you.
Like that you won't loose all your business if there is an update that causes major blocks.
 
Short update for today, 60 more Android devices arrived, making it a total of 120.
Today I will set them up and integrate them into the system.

BTW if anybody reading this is also doing some Android automation successfully, I would be happy to exchange a few words and share some knowledge.
Instagram is huge and there is no way a single person can have it all. I think by collaborating it will be possible to increase the result for everybody.
 
It's been a while since my last post.
The 60 devices are finally integrated totalling 120. I switched my router to OPNsense for more stability and adaptability.
Those devices sure produce a lot of heat. Before adding more, I would need to secure a different location.

I also changed all traffic to HTTP3/QUIC since this is the IG standard for apps.

Since I am pretty much stuck with the accounts I have, I will focus on creating accounts next.
I tried to buy some from various sources but the vast majority dies within 48hours.
The accounts I could manage to create somehow are all still fine.
There is a up to 20 second delay when pressing the sign-up button in the app so some insane logic has to happen on their servers.

I spoke to several people about this and most switched from using real devices to emulators claiming the success rate is better there.
Somehow IG seems to detect real devices. I will play around with the device metrics and take a look into the app to see what can be done.

The goal is to have an account creator with at least 80% success that uses emails and not phone numbers.
 
It's been a while since my last post.
The 60 devices are finally integrated totalling 120. I switched my router to OPNsense for more stability and adaptability.
Those devices sure produce a lot of heat. Before adding more, I would need to secure a different location.
what type of content do you upload and how do you generate so much content or do you do mass following request and unfollow them later ?
 
You seem knowledgeable and have what it takes.
This journey is very interesting, good luck!
 
- "(I never had a job in my entire life yet)."
- "At that time I was starting university and because I spent all that money, I was basically broke and lived from month-to-month working as developer that would receive $150 to create a custom bot.
It was hard work especially since all the clients kept nagging me about every kind of bug and demanded a free fix."
IDK man... This sounds like a job :D Just joking, I know what you saying :)
However I have couple of question:
  1. You using Python through ADB?
  2. As I get it the one device can be used with multiple IG accounts? Thats interesting, how you managed that. I mean in PC browser you just import cookies, rotate IP, change user agent and you up to go. Or just simply - log in, do action, log out and repeat?
  3. The API part is quite complicated, would be nice to hear more about it, how it works :)
  4. You mentioned that you using 4g dongles? Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you use phones own 4g network? I mean you can automate to turn it on and turn in off to rotate IP, don't you?
  5. And the last one - Do you do programming, setuping all by yourself you? i mean you mentioned that you have a team, but when you started did you do all on your own?
 
what type of content do you upload and how do you generate so much content or do you do mass following request and unfollow them later ?
For content I just re-upload what is already on IG but I modify the content a bit to improve the quality.

- "(I never had a job in my entire life yet)."
- "At that time I was starting university and because I spent all that money, I was basically broke and lived from month-to-month working as developer that would receive $150 to create a custom bot.
It was hard work especially since all the clients kept nagging me about every kind of bug and demanded a free fix."
IDK man... This sounds like a job :D Just joking, I know what you saying :)
However I have couple of question:
  1. You using Python through ADB?
  2. As I get it the one device can be used with multiple IG accounts? Thats interesting, how you managed that. I mean in PC browser you just import cookies, rotate IP, change user agent and you up to go. Or just simply - log in, do action, log out and repeat?
  3. The API part is quite complicated, would be nice to hear more about it, how it works :)
  4. You mentioned that you using 4g dongles? Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you use phones own 4g network? I mean you can automate to turn it on and turn in off to rotate IP, don't you?
  5. And the last one - Do you do programming, setuping all by yourself you? i mean you mentioned that you have a team, but when you started did you do all on your own?
1. Android software is written in C#
2. Yes, you can use many accounts with one device. I exchange app data of the app which changes the accounts instantly. I don't need to re-log-in all the time which would probably be suspicious. For Instagram it is as if the app was closed and re-opened at another time for the account. You need root for this.
3. Which API, do you mean the different project that interacts with the Instagram API directly instead of using phones?
4. Yes, that would be possible but now I use 10 dongles for 120 devices. SIM cards are expensive and hard to get here.
5. Depends, Instagram API project is now fully outsourced to other developers but currently I'm doing everything with the android phones myself. Also this whole project was started by myself alone and when I had the funds, I hired additional developers.
 
For content I just re-upload what is already on IG but I modify the content a bit to improve the quality.


1. Android software is written in C#
2. Yes, you can use many accounts with one device. I exchange app data of the app which changes the accounts instantly. I don't need to re-log-in all the time which would probably be suspicious. For Instagram it is as if the app was closed and re-opened at another time for the account. You need root for this.
3. Which API, do you mean the different project that interacts with the Instagram API directly instead of using phones?
4. Yes, that would be possible but now I use 10 dongles for 120 devices. SIM cards are expensive and hard to get here.
5. Depends, Instagram API project is now fully outsourced to other developers but currently I'm doing everything with the android phones myself. Also this whole project was started by myself alone and when I had the funds, I hired additional developers.
Ohh if I get it right you have set of scripts that does the actions like follows, likes and etc and when you the API calls the specific action is started. Well thats a big brain stuff :D
Whats your thoughts on simplier web automation using puppeteer+extra stealth or anty browsers? Have my ugly setup doing likes, follows. Using just couple acc for testing. Not even implemented 4g proxies with rotation.
 
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