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My experience with dropped/already expired domains...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cipango, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. cipango

    cipango Junior Member

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    Well, this is not going to be long. I just want to summarize my experience with registering dropped domains and hear other members' experience.

    So: I got busy about 5 months ago with finding dropped domains that were up for grabs. I mean really dropped by the owner for a shorter or longer while, not auctions stuff. I was following the method with Scrapebox and Xenu, which was shared by various people around the internet (I first stumbled across it in a Fiverr gig, then more recently came across it again on the nichepursuits.com blog - here's a post: http://www.nichepursuits.com/podcas...iche-sites-post-penguin-with-hayden-miyamoto/ )

    I was pretty excited for a good while about the prospect of finding great domains for the price of a regular registration, and kept doing it diligently for over a month. I used automation where possible, but also manually reviewed at least a couple thousands of domains with their backlink profiles. I ended up registering about thirty domains that looked great to me and had ******** high PR pages pointing to them. I mean, after reviewing a whole lot of domains, you do end up making the difference between a spammed backlink profile and a natural one, so that was a useful experience in itself.

    To make the story short: I registered only domains with a natural backlink profile and linked to from PR 4-6 pages (I emphasize that: PR was on the pages, not just on the root domains). I set up WP blogs on all, on some I put a dedicated article, on some I left the default WP hello world post; I also did the 404 redirect to the homepage.

    Five months down the road: a couple of PR updates happened in the meanwhile, but out of my 30 domains, none got a decent PR back, except for a few 0's. There were also some domains that still had their PR when I found them - those retained their PR all this time, and I'm using them to backlink some sites I own.

    What's to be made of this? A method touted to be great if you put the time and effort (which I really did) is going down the drain? I mean not completely, since if you keep at it, you'll eventually find recently expired domains that still retain their PR. These are great, don't get me wrong, but are they supposed to be the only assets uncovered with this method? Why isn't the PR returning to the domains with a good backlink profile, as these were the main gain that everybody was claiming with this method?

    Anyone has an answer?
     
  2. coxi999

    coxi999 Junior Member

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    Where all the domains still indexed in Google when you bought them or did you have to re-index them?
     
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  3. cipango

    cipango Junior Member

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    Hmm, I didn't check for indexed much. A domain that's been dormant for longer will not stay indexed in google. But the expired domain theory is that if the domain is back up, big G will be so kind as to return the PR back to it. Not really so in my experience
     
  4. Laubster

    Laubster Senior Member Premium Member

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    Google doesn't return PR to domains it has deindexed. This has been discussed here many times. Anyone that tells you it does is trying to sell you something.
     
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  5. ranga

    ranga Regular Member

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    PR or no PR they are still good, its all about the backlinks that pass juice, one of mine went to PR5 but it had some like from .mil sites. So for me PR does not matter, backlinks do. If they have good backlinks profile then go ahead and place your links and test them i.e. see rank changes after say 1 week after placing link.

    TIP: if the backlink profile of your domains is mostly High PR pages with lots of outbound links (aka the links exchange pages of old) then they may not be so good as high OBL is low juice passed to each link.
     
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    offwhite Regular Member

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    If we are talking toolbar PR then I have had many domains that have regained their PR once i got them up and running again. Immediately prior to this they were not in the serps. I have a bunch of sites that I bought the domains 2 or 3 years ago, have done no other link building and they still have toolbar pr. Of course whether they in turn pass any real link juice on may be another question.
    I could mention one situation. I have a money site that i didn't want to do any direct link building for as i didnt want to upset the applecart. It was postions 2 and 8 for a long time for its two most important keywords. I bought a dropped PR3 site in the same niche added some content and then added a link to my money site. Not long after I have gone up to positions 1 and 3. Of course it may be a coincidence!
    Factors that may be relevant as to whether they regain their pr could be for instance if the new site content is similar to the old one.
     
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  7. JonnyBorneo

    JonnyBorneo Regular Member

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    I hope this is a typo? 404 means you've been deindexing your own domains.

    Redirect is 301 and 302.
     
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  8. cipango

    cipango Junior Member

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    You need to redirect 404 errors, because since you're putting up a new site on an old domain, you no longer have the inside pages that the backlinks are pointing to. You still have the backlinks, but not the pages, so google or anyone following that link would find a 404 error. That's why you'd install a plugin or do a rewrite to 301 redirect any missing (404) page back to the homepage.

    To all: so then, I guess it's a safer bet to buy expired domains based on PA/DA rather than PR? This appears to be where this discussion is headed
     
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  9. tjapado

    tjapado Junior Member

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    i read a post over here that you need to use the waybackmachiene to chek out what kind of website was on the pr domain you bought and then try to replicate that look and content.
     
  10. caskstrength

    caskstrength Newbie

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    You need to add actual content to these sites
     
  11. DamageX

    DamageX Elite Member

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    Not true. And I'm not trying to sell anything. :D

    Not true.
     
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  12. rayee

    rayee Power Member

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    Very interesting. If you don't mind, PM me some of the domains so i can do a background check on them. Maybe you're looking at it wrong?
     
  13. SteveWaller

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    While the last Google PR update for the toolbar was around the 5th or 6th of December, it is widely thought that they were using data from a couple of months earlier (some time in October).

    So depending on exactly when you bought these domains, there is a good chance that you missed the boat at the last update.

    How do I know this? I register expired, completely non-indexed domains all the time thanks to my personal crawler and I saw domains registered before October largely regain some level of toolbar PR while none of those registered after this unknown cut-off point got any sort of toolbar PR despite, as in your experience too, having good quality high PR links to them.

    Their effectiveness doesn't seem to be any less because they have no toolbar PR though because the links are still there and internally in Google's system I'm sure they have PR and that it will show when the toolbar is next updated.

    Btw, I highlight the word toolbar in my post because that is all you can talk about when it comes to PR.
     
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  14. seocrab

    seocrab Senior Member

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    When you buy a domain with PR, it can drop if there's an update and the site content is thin (like the "Hello World" post you described) and/or it loses backlinks. Either make use of the domains while they still have metrics or work on re-publishing the original/similar content.