My Ever First Request!

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, and I've recently decided to try out cloaking.

I'm asking for advises from the more expert members.

I'm planning to cloak on an informational products/tools review site. Mostly are products of clickbank. I also won't include adsense for obvious reasons. My questions are:

1- Which one is better, Phantom Cloaker or Search Engine Cloaker?

2- This is a brand new website. How long does it take to notice any kinds of results?

3- I've already built my site, but any advises regarding building that may assist in helping out the cloaking, are welcome.

4- Do you advise to host the site with a free hosting company, or do I have to buy hosting and a domain name? I just don't want to pay, if it won't stay up for long. Also I considered cloaking on a throw away page, that automatically redirects to my site, because I've heard many times that search engines will only bann this page, and not the site it redirects to.

5- After cloaking is done, and files are uploaded to the server, are there any more steps to do?

6- If I have links in the cloaked site, to other websites I own, will it be trouble if the site got banned? I mean, will the other sites be in danger too?

7- If google finds out about the cloaking, do they normally contact my affiliate networks and cause me troubles with them?

8- I've recently got a software called "Doorway Blaster" that creates several landing pages for your website, each optimised for a certain search engine and so. What is the difference between these kinds of programs, and cloaking programs like phantom cloaker and SE cloaker?

9- Heard alot about the noarchieve and archieve tags.. which is safer?


Thanks in advance....

wtf. read the forum for your answers, also use google

Man I'm in the same situation like you. Should be twins me and you. Same project almost.

1- Which one is better, Phantom Cloaker or Search Engine Cloaker?
Phantom cloaker lags with a lot of keywords, is slow, but semi good, its also old and should get you some earnings on Google, for a short period, long term on yahoo and msn until your caught, SEC is slighty better in my opinion as PC is a little slow. But CUSTOM is always better, if your gonna cloak invest in someone to code you something custom.

2- This is a brand new website. How long does it take to notice any kinds of results?
Day one? If you work and plan your method first


3- I've already built my site, but any advises regarding building that may assist in helping out the cloaking, are welcome.
Cloak, Ping, Submit, Sitemap, Spam, Backlinks, Comment spam, Linkdropping as many places as possible

4- Do you advise to host the site with a free hosting company, or do I have to buy hosting and a domain name? I just don't want to pay, if it won't stay up for long. Also I considered cloaking on a throw away page, that automatically redirects to my site, because I've heard many times that search engines will only bann this page, and not the site it redirects to.
Dont use freak hosting, most will ban you if it gets high traffic. Which you want. Use something like site5.com dreamhost.com thats cheap and you wont worry, plus these places give you free domain, and you can find discount codes that give you like 5tb bw per month, and you pay like $10 a year and a free domain.

5- After cloaking is done, and files are uploaded to the server, are there any more steps to do?
Cloak, Ping, Submit, Sitemap, Spam, Backlinks, Comment spam, Linkdropping as many places as possible

6- If I have links in the cloaked site, to other websites I own, will it be trouble if the site got banned? I mean, will the other sites be in danger too?
Depends how big the ban is, i mean depends how big your cloaking is, and how it gets banned, like if your cloaking 50billion pages im sure youll get a nasty ban. But usually they dont ban anything you link too. Unless they are hosted on the same ip.

7- If google finds out about the cloaking, do they normally contact my affiliate networks and cause me troubles with them?
No unless its adsense

8- I've recently got a software called "Doorway Blaster" that creates several landing pages for your website, each optimised for a certain search engine and so. What is the difference between these kinds of programs, and cloaking programs like phantom cloaker and SE cloaker?
They are all different, but sort of do the same stuff. For more info i suggest Googling there sites and reading there FAQ.

9- Heard alot about the noarchieve and archieve tags.. which is safer?
Depends


Just back from a few beers hope this makes sense. Cause reading it back it doesnt make sense to me LOL nothing does

Makes great sense man! Thanks for the help!

It's been a while though... I already started cloaked time ago, and I'm having some success but with sites in other niches... This above mentioned niche is so hard to nail, even with cloaking.

I have another cloaked site that is doing well... my third niche was doing even better, but it got banned by Google due to me not being careful in the amount of newly created pages.

ASHLEY_LOVES_U... are you my lost twin?

HaRRo said:

1- Which one is better, Phantom Cloaker or Search Engine Cloaker?
Phantom cloaker lags with a lot of keywords, is slow, but semi good, its also old and should get you some earnings on Google, for a short period, long term on yahoo and msn until your caught, SEC is slighty better in my opinion as PC is a little slow. But CUSTOM is always better, if your gonna cloak invest in someone to code you something custom.

2- This is a brand new website. How long does it take to notice any kinds of results?
Day one? If you work and plan your method first


3- I've already built my site, but any advises regarding building that may assist in helping out the cloaking, are welcome.
Cloak, Ping, Submit, Sitemap, Spam, Backlinks, Comment spam, Linkdropping as many places as possible

4- Do you advise to host the site with a free hosting company, or do I have to buy hosting and a domain name? I just don't want to pay, if it won't stay up for long. Also I considered cloaking on a throw away page, that automatically redirects to my site, because I've heard many times that search engines will only bann this page, and not the site it redirects to.
Dont use freak hosting, most will ban you if it gets high traffic. Which you want. Use something like site5.com dreamhost.com thats cheap and you wont worry, plus these places give you free domain, and you can find discount codes that give you like 5tb bw per month, and you pay like $10 a year and a free domain.

5- After cloaking is done, and files are uploaded to the server, are there any more steps to do?
Cloak, Ping, Submit, Sitemap, Spam, Backlinks, Comment spam, Linkdropping as many places as possible

6- If I have links in the cloaked site, to other websites I own, will it be trouble if the site got banned? I mean, will the other sites be in danger too?
Depends how big the ban is, i mean depends how big your cloaking is, and how it gets banned, like if your cloaking 50billion pages im sure youll get a nasty ban. But usually they dont ban anything you link too. Unless they are hosted on the same ip.

7- If google finds out about the cloaking, do they normally contact my affiliate networks and cause me troubles with them?
No unless its adsense

8- I've recently got a software called "Doorway Blaster" that creates several landing pages for your website, each optimised for a certain search engine and so. What is the difference between these kinds of programs, and cloaking programs like phantom cloaker and SE cloaker?
They are all different, but sort of do the same stuff. For more info i suggest Googling there sites and reading there FAQ.

9- Heard alot about the noarchieve and archieve tags.. which is safer?
Depends


Just back from a few beers hope this makes sense. Cause reading it back it doesnt make sense to me LOL nothing does

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Anytime mystery thats what we are here for. Any more questions feel free to ask.

Harro what do you think about cloaking but using china server? 1 of my friend is doing that do you know anything about this?

my new mantra is:

Cloak, Ping, Submit, Sitemap, Spam, Backlinks, Comment spam, Linkdropping as many places as possible

Thank you haRRo