1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

My competitor reached me just with gsa/rankerx on his MS...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by vinchenson, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. vinchenson

    vinchenson Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    14
    Gender:
    Male
    Hello guys.
    This is my first post on this forum, I discovered you guys a few days ago and have been here trying to learn as much as possible, this looks like one of the strongest communities to learn SEO.

    I open this thread to ask you some advice on how to proceed with my situation. I work in a family business where we have our MS on #1 position in google with the keywords we need. The thing is, that the biggest competitor we have in my city is blasting his money site with rankerx/gsa backlinks.

    My site has a decent pbn which is backed with some rankerx links, and I have also purchased quality backlinks in newspapers, kown blogs, mentions in decent sites, etc. So far I have been working "clean" for google not to catch me, we try to offer our clients the best service available, our site is user-friendly and so far it is going well.

    The thing is, that our competitor in the last 2 months has grown SO MUCH, I inspected his ahrefs and the power he is getting is amazing, like, my site is everyday going down in ahrefs ranks etc, every month I get a few quality backlinks while his site is just growing and growing by just having the trash backlinks aiming at his site. He has like 30 backlinks per day coming from .ru/chinese sites etc yet google doesn't penalize him?

    I am afraid that very very soon he will get the desired #1 position and I dont know how to proceed, I don't want to get my site dirty with gsa/rankerx links, but somehow its proved that my competitor is achieving his purpose of getting ranked in our niche with just trash moves and google doesn't do anything, what could I do?

    Thank you in advance for anything you can help me with, I will be deeply appreciated.

    Have a nice weekend and excuse my English since it is not my mother language.
     
  2. Android Tipster

    Android Tipster Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    375
    Likes Received:
    99
    Hard to believe you're new here.

    Anyway, chances are Google will catch on and slap his site to oblivion.
     
  3. LeanLow

    LeanLow Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2013
    Messages:
    926
    Likes Received:
    306
    Interesting, send me your site and your competitor site domain names to PM and I'll check it out.
     
  4. Peter Ngo

    Peter Ngo Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,208
    Likes Received:
    1,773
    Occupation:
    I browse BHW for a living
    Location:
    The Internet
    I really don't suggest you to send your sites to random people here.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  5. lion1978

    lion1978 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    44
    The reason your competitor isn't getting penalized by big G is because big G doesn't deindex or penalize site because of spam anymore, they will however devalue those links over time.

    I have to disagree with you when you say you've been paying "clean" using pbn's powered with spam, on the good side though is the fact that you have links from newspapers. At elast that is how big G looks at it anything that is done to manipulate serps offpage is dirty.

    The best advice is to build more quality links to your site, and local citations and ofcouse if you don't already have a veryfied google mybusiness page make that a priority.

    Also you could create a "clone" of your site on a new domain and then 301 redirect the individual pages to your moneysite and then spam the living crap out of the clone site, as long as you do NOT have them both in the same webmaster account/search console there is no way this could hurt your site.

    Also another positive ranking factor belive it or not is running facebook ads.
     
  6. kickthat

    kickthat Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2014
    Messages:
    478
    Likes Received:
    599
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK
    I would definitely keep your site clean. It might be that his strategy is working short term, but you have to think that eventually he will get caught out and the site will tank. Don't put yourself in that boat.

    If you're concerned about the success that he is having and don't want to risk any harm to your main site, consider setting up a secondary, churn and burn site. Obviously keep it separate and detached from your main site (different contact details etc), and apply the same tactics that your competitor is. Whether this is going to be cost effective remains to be seen, but it is an option that might allow you to get the best of both worlds.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  7. gman777

    gman777 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2016
    Messages:
    715
    Likes Received:
    625
    Contrary to rumors, GSA is still going stronk, it seems. Can you PM your competitor website plx? I want to see his backlink profile with my eyes.
     
  8. vinchenson

    vinchenson Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    14
    Gender:
    Male
    Hello guys, thank you for your replies.

    #2 You can trust or not, I don't actually care, but thank you for your answer, for what I have read in many places, google penalizes hard these actions yet the competitors' site has been alive for a while as you can see below.


    I attach you the ahrefs graphs of both websites (slightly censored since #4 scared me a bit)
    C1.png ms.png


    #5 your clone option looks interesting but, wouldn't that impact negatively my MS if I get redirects from a spammy site like a clone with the characteristics you mentioned? I have not heard much about cloning websites tbh.

    #6 thank you for your answer
     
  9. lion1978

    lion1978 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    44
    once they did, but they have admited that they can't tell negative spam seo from someone trying to rank their own site with spam, therefore they no longer penalize spam, however over time the value of spam links will decrease 1. because google trust certain sites less because people tell them which sites not to trust when they use the disavow tool.
    and 2. because the sites has 0 traffic and therefore a 0 CTR to the money site.
     
  10. romeoesteban

    romeoesteban Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2013
    Messages:
    130
    Likes Received:
    49
    Your competitor's site will get punished in the next months while your site will keep ranking strongly. I wouldn't worry so much. What you can do now is watch what your competitor is doing right to replicate it and what he is doing wrong to avoid it at any cost.
     
  11. vinchenson

    vinchenson Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    14
    Gender:
    Male
    Ok, now everything is clear, thank you #9 and #10 !
     
  12. seoguy81

    seoguy81 Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,014
    Likes Received:
    253
    Occupation:
    Donkey balls
    It can certainly be frustrating when you adopt a white hat method and someone with money and black hat means can just speed away ahead of you. I think you just have to wear it out in hopes that Google will catch up on them. However, between now and then, is what matters and how much of $$'s from your market share they eat into.

    Since you already have ahrefs and keeping a track of your competitor, start looking for high quality links (if they have any) and try to build it into your backlink profile as well.

    Try to revisit this 6 months from now (hopefully if there will be another google update) and maybe things might change.