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My blackhat method of making money Amazon and eBay - Profit Sealing or Stealing

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by scallen37, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. scallen37

    scallen37 Junior Member

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    Some people out there will probably say this is "Gray Hat" and a lot more will probably say this is not profitable for the amount of work that needs to be put into this method to make money. Is this illegal? It might be to misrepresent something, but supposedly it's illegal and worth having you stoned to death for - so take it for what its worth.

    Things you will need:

    Impulse sealer
    Shrink wrap
    Shipping Label Printer
    Guillotine Paper Cutter
    High quality Printer
    High quality Scanner
    Pencil Eraser

    What this involves is buying things used, and reselling them as New. Pretty simple stuff but often people underestimate the increased value of something being New vs Used. You can apply this to DVD's, Games, Books, etc.

    Im going to use two examples, books and games.

    To find out what games you want to do this with, go to a used game store and look for pre-owned used games with high price tags that are either their released retailed price from when they came out, or more. This means there is a collectible value to this game, and people out there value this game as a collectors item and thus it has an increased value. You aren't going to buy these from the store, but you want to build a list of games to be on the look out for, Here's an example:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...=8-1&keywords=Monster+Rancher+4&condition=new

    Monster Rancher 4 for Playstation 2. Look at 3 different criteria:

    1) Brand New (Factory Sealed)
    2) Used - Includes all contents (Game, Manual, Cover Art, Case)
    3) Used - Disc Only

    In this case:

    1) $198.98 (Make sure you only look at Free and Super Saver Shipping and Amazon Prime. You are going to be using FBA - so your only competing with other FBA sellers)
    2) $44.48 + $3.99 Shipping
    3) $42.99

    On eBay, you can actually pick the game up (Disc only) for $39.99, its generally like this for all games for buying on eBay over Amazon - you might even catch an auction and get it for much much less.

    You can approach this in 2 ways:

    Method 1:

    You can buy the BRAND NEW game for $198.98 which gives you a high quality copy of the case artwork, and instruction booklet. I used to never make copies of the instructions because it was timely and costed more. I did this specific method thousands of times, and have only had 2 people say "Hey, it didn't come with instructions, whats up?!" - in which I played dumb since I had bought it "New, many years ago" - Now I just make copies of the instruction booklet. Most of the time, people have never seen the original and I can send a high quality scan of the pages, cut them with the guillitine, and staple them together and be good to go. However, I'm pretty sure the vast majority never even open up the game anyways.

    So, with this method, you are going to get a high quality scan of the Artwork (the case), and the instructions. You can choose to replicate the instructions if you want (read above) - but most importantly, you have these things on file. Sure, you can find these online but there are usually watermarks or the quality of the image isn't very good. This lets you buy just the disc from other sellers, pop it into your replica cases, and shrink wrap it and can continue to make a larger profit on this specific game several times.

    Once you have everything you need for a game, all you need to do is hunt for the discs. When you find one, you buy it, and put it into a new case, put your artwork inside the cover, and the instruction booklet. Seal it up, and you are ready to go. You will be turning a $30 game into a $180 game, and this can be sold several times a month. This is just 1 title, and you can focus on hundreds of titles.

    If you do this method, you can even reseal the game, and resell it back on Amazon or eBay as New - and you might take a loss depending on how quickly you want to see some of your money back. In this example, you might lose about $10 by buying the game, copying its contents, and reselling it on eBay as new for $5 less than your competition, but it will sell quickly and you can look at your loss of $10 as an investment you can quickly get back.

    Method 2:

    This is the much more simple and lazy method, but it doesn't mean it isn't profitable. You can go on Amazon and buy the game with all of its contents (2) and simply seal it up, and resell it moments later as new. You aren't copying anything, you aren't printing, cutting, etc. Its more simple. The problem with this is that although its really cheap to just replace the case itself, there will likely be some wear on the artwork and instructions from the previous seller so you have to make sure its in damn near mint condition before you reseal it or someone might pick up on the fact you resealed a used game.

    With both methods I highly suggest putting the game out in the sun for a couple days, or buying a 200w HPS light and sticking the game under the lamp for a couple days, front and back, to discolor the shrink wrap slightly. There is a pretty noticeable difference in a newly sealed game and one that was sealed years ago. To a novice, they won't pick up on it, but if someone is buying a collection of sealed games then a side by side comparison might show a noticeable difference. Although you want to keep the plastic in great shape, anything sealed for a couple years will have some shelf wear. Rub a piece of paper on the edges of the plastic, a piece of dark construction paper, etc. The small things make a difference. Most importantly, I highly suggest printing out your own labels or applying your own stickers. You can get something like these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Retail...501?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5af54d6c15 and write the original price or something like $49.99 - you can even use your shipping label printer to print out a store logo and name and put it somewhere on the shrink wrap - this is just to further authenticate that it's new.



    Now lets look at books.

    Amazon FBA is perfect for books, and there is a crazy amount of Amazon Prime members that will pay out the ass for new books. You obviously can't copy an entire book, so all you can pretty much do is reseal them. Lets look at some examples:

    I suggest only doing this with hardcover, because the maintain a better shape and typically the people and businesses that buy them take better care of them in the first place. The only real reason I say this is because on soft cover books, they ends of the paper on the covers usually fray a little, as if they get smashed against the back of the book case. This isnt usually a big deal, and the shrink wrapping process actually does take care of it and helps those ends look better but you never know if someone is going to pick on the fact the book is used and just resealed and sold as new.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=1-1&qid=1380962656

    Again, you have 3 categories.

    1) Brand New
    2) Used - Like New condition
    3) Used - "Great Condition"

    You are always going to avoid category 3, you can never really use these books. Its pretty rare to find a book that someone has down graded on its condition, although its cheaper, its usually not much more to just buy a book in category 2.

    I avoid all books in the first 500 rankings, because they are bought and sold so quickly there isn't much of a profit margin to be made by the resealing process.

    Because you are going to be doing FBA, you want to look at the difference between the price of a Like New Used Price (2) and the FBA price and you want to look at who is selling the book based on how many ratings they have.

    For this example, you can buy a Like New condition on Amazon for $18.99 + $3.99 Shipping or you can take a gamble and buy the one for $11.18 + $3.99 Shipping from TSC.B0oks which is a high volume seller. For this example, I say go with the Like New Condition one for $18.99 + $3.99 Shipping (Total $22.98)

    After the sealing process, you can sell this book for between $50 and $60 - and as of this post, there isn't anyone else selling that book with a Prime offer, which allows you to sell it for more.

    When you get the book in, first inspect it. People who collect books typically take the plastic off and thumb through it anyways. Make sure there are NO MARKINGS. Take the eraser and rub it on the edges to rub off any hand residue, grime, dust, etc - this even affects the smell of a new book (seriously.)

    You can put on a fake store logo and price, or what I did is that I paid for someone to print out card stock bindings with a fake book store name on them, I fold them vertical over the book and apply a fake store sticker I printed out with my label printer on the back to keep it on, and then I seal it up. I had one person in the 240,000+ books I've sold on Amazon ask how it was sealed over the book binding thing, and my response was "I guess the bookstore sealed them themselves so people wouldnt ruin the pages" - He was satisfied, and so was I. Then go ahead an put one of those sale stickers and some random price on the outside to help further validate this book is new. If anyone ever discovered a book mark or something inside one of your books that you didnt catch, you can always say "I bought all of my inventory from a bookstore that went out of business 4 months ago, I don't really know why there was a bookmark in there"

    Since I'm getting bored in writing this, heres some quick information:

    I personally don't recommend doing any of this if you cant make at least a $16 profit per item.
    Don't try to do this forever. I quit while I was ahead and focused on my legit business.
    Don't be lazy, take the time to do things right.
    Use different addresses to order books and games and other things.
    Don't sell with just 1 FBA account. Sell with several. Operating a stealth Amazon account is 10 times easier than on eBay.
    Always look for stuff on eBay too, not just Amazon. eBay is often cheaper for things.
    Develop a strong understanding of how FBA works.
    Watch YouTube videos on the sealing process for games and books. There a bunch that cover sealing games, dvds, books, and more. Its all pretty simple and customers don't just assume some schmuck just resealed something unless it looks like crap.
     
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  2. mickyfu

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    Just one question, unless I have read something wrong, if I have please forgive me. You honestly think someone who is willing to part with $200 for a game is so naive? You see in my eyes, they part with so much money for something as shit as a PS2 game, because they know what they are doing.

    And if so what you are saying is a good way to scam spotty little teenagers, why waste your time and money finding a used copy of the game? Why not just thrown in a used condom and seal it? Again, please do forgive me if I have got the wrong idea about your method, but I think this is what you are getting at, isn't it?
     
  3. scallen37

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    That is kind of why I put importance on the extra steps of making the reseal look legitimate.

    Why not throw in just a condom in the case and seal it up and sell the game that way? Because to me, that is wrong. It's stealing. Sure, resealing a used game and selling it as new isn't morally or probably ethically the right thing to do, but I have to draw the line and in selling something used versus stealing someones money.

    When I did this, I compared it to how a real estate agent might charge 15% more on a $200,000 home to a young recently married couple buying their first home. It would be different if the real estate agent sold them a home and then tore it down after the couple paid their money and said "I sold you the idea of owning a home, but at least you get to keep the land!" and runs off.
     
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    Yes it is on a par, because a used condom is worth about as much as a used PS2 game.
     
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    That's your opinion I guess. If they pay $20 or $120, they can still choose to play the game if they wanted.
     
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    You need to be careful

    When you reseal it.
    Thats Deception

    When you sell it
    Thats Fraud.

    If they can tie you to a business if doing it
    You go to jail, or at the least end up with a criminal record

    One thing it is'nt is Blackhat
    We may game the system, but we stay legal
     
  7. Globalization

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    240k books and thousands of games, so you've made MILLIONS doing this?? wtf, this is a crazy, incredible, ingenious, insane idea all rolled in one. Idk my conscience isn't as morally ambiguous. I would ask you this though, do you have a contact I can hit up who can make fake receipts and pricing stickers for me? I can def use that. Please send pm..

    as far as getting caught by the law, the risk of that is so low. The reason being is the loss in the item is so low for a single individual (between $15-$150) that it's not even worth getting the law involved. Seriously how many ppl you know who get scammed be $100 would actually call the police?? And knowing about law enforcement, they have bigger fish to fry, they probably wouldn't even pursue a case. On top of that if they even pursue a case, how would they know or even think that was one scam and a bigger scheme of jobs and even if they thought you were doing this to multiple ppl, how would they even contact all those ppl for the evidence
     
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    Wow, and Ive thought Ive seen it all lol
     
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    This is just not right and will surely lead to negative results in the long run.
     
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    I was a part of a large operation that had been doing these kind of things on a large scale. I am not talking about books/DVDs, I am talking about items that are valued at retail prices anywhere between $500-$2000. The whole process was very similar, and the people I was working for were able to get away with it for a very long time and made LOTS of money in the process. The quality of the items sold passed as new, even though they weren't. Throwing in a few extra items on the side, will guarantee to distract the customer from the real matter at hand, and surely make them happy.
     
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    funny lol how does this even work. DOnt trust
     
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    hey I have been reading your post and you seem intelligent and probably very rich lol...can i contact you in any other way. i need a mentor skype id or facebook..anything would just be fine