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My AM asked for traffic source - i'm using BHCB with blank refferal

Discussion in 'CPA' started by own007, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. own007

    own007 Regular Member

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    I'm getting about 100$ a day from that network what can i tell him? can i build a landing page and tell him that i am doing ppc? can he discover that i'm not realy do that? can i tell him i am using direct linking with ppc ?
     
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    That's way too much no matter what you tell him assuming the traffic is from an illegitimate source, and isn't backing out.

    You are taking too much risk by only pushing this through one network. I don't know what you are running for an offer rotator, but what you really need to do is push this $100/day through about 5-10 offers across at least 3 networks. That is if you want to get paid.

    So tell him it's PPC, and if it's not backing out for the advertiser, does he have any alternative similar offers he might suggest. But - right now - distribute your traffic more effectively starting today!

    Good luck!

    P.S. A great potential option for you given your success is to use Brad's CPA-R, create a totally WH site to use as a referer for your traffic source, AND distribute the traffic more effectively.
     
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  3. own007

    own007 Regular Member

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    Davers, Thank u for your answer, it helped me very much. is it make sense that ppc got blank referral?
     
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    DigitalGangster Regular Member

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    In the vast majority of cases I ve seen so far, here regarding the topic that surrounds the act of masking black hat traffic, I am still surprised to this day the suggestions many of our beloved and trusted members have given to this day.
    Its amazing the numbers of people who believe that by blanking the referrer for your black hat traffic one can forestall an investigation from their Affiliate Manager. However, what is even more unbelieveable is the utterly stupid suggestions going around of explanations to reply to your Affiliate Manager if they were to question the legitimacy of your traffic .(aka ppc)


    Rest assure that the CPA Network you are working with and the Advertiser will not accredit your traffic as a viable source of traffic for the long term nor will they stay quiet as you push more traffic their way.

    One way to ensure to keep one from staying above the radar is by faking their traffic instead of blanking it. With this practice of 'faking' one for sure will be saved from those unwanted questions you do not want to be asked and you can for sure keep your status with your Affiliate Manager as "Don't ask Don't tell".
     
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    AM simply covers his ass. Since their network making money off your offers as well they only need an excuse. Giving them some stupid ass answer most likely will insult AM's intelligence and he'll want to fuck you up for that.
    If you'll tell him that it's all PPC then he might ask for a PPS invoice where you spent X number of dollars for the campaign. Think twice before you answer.
    Of course you can always politely decline answering such question based on previous experience with people stealing your 'ingenious' methods of getting a converting traffic.Bullshit your way through it but think before hand what he might answer next.And if they fuck with your payments find other ,better network where AM's are smarter then cutting off the man who brings converting traffic to their network. You can tell them that as well.
     
  6. Autumn

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    In future, make a your totally white hat, "review" style ad page as Davers suggested. Fake your referrer to be that page by using Brad's CPA redirector. In future, tell your AM that the traffic is a mix of SE, hard link trades / paid links, paid blog posts and plugs, banner (media buys), banner / traffic exchange, top list, web directory and whatever other generic forms of traffic generation you can come up with. That will shut them up.

    Unfortunately since you have already been blanking the referrer you might be in trouble with the funds you have already earned in this particular case - as the above poster stated, blanking the referrer is automatic grounds for suspicion because it shows you have something to hide. And no, there is no good reason that PPC traffic would be coming through with no referrer, because most server side redirects used by PPC services will carry the referrer just fine. Faking the referrer is infinitely preferable to blanking it, because if you fake it, it's very difficult for them to prove that your traffic came from an illegitimate source (and they probably won't even suspect, if the traffic still converts).

    If they decide to play hard ball you might just have to forfeit those funds and chalk it up to experience - there's not much you can do about it.
     
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    Tell him you bought this traffic and therefore it is a very good one.

    Oh and say goodbye to this particular partnership ;)

    But you made it work once...
     
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    There's some surprisingly good information in this thread if you're paying attention.
     
  9. own007

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    I just got suspended from one of the biggest networks online and they send me a list of all of my sites: movies, adult, TV . They know everything!!!! don't trust the fucking Blackhatcodebreaker! I feel so stupid for using that shit...:(
     
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    Hey man sorry to hear it did not work out. But look you have been making $100 a day..I have made $0 per day. Now you know what you need to do better next time, at least you got some experience and some money. Move on to the next network.
     
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    Tell him you're doing PPC traffic. Also in the future try to keep it more like $20-$40 daily per network and more like $15-$25 daily per offer. Just spread it out more.

    If your traffic converts for the advertiser you should be fine, if not you wont be.
     
  12. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    I'm curious as to when my AMs will start asking questions...

    I'm running an partial iframe campaign and it's spread thin, 18 offers over 6 networks. I'm partially iframing the 2nd page too and making that a requirement for visitors to see my content (they don't find out until after they completed the email submit of course) to ensure that I get some second page conversions.

    My question is, if I tell them what you said (when they ask, and I'm assuming at some point they will ask), how many times/how long can you do that before they realize you must be running bh traffic through them and terminate the account? At that point is it as simple as setting up a new corporation and starting over again since they would have no way of knowing the actual traffic source?
     
  13. Sacrilege

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    Lots of PPC affiliates blank their referrals through a re-direct. Why? Because they don't want the merchant knowing exactly what they are doing, otherwise the merchant starts bidding on the exact same keywords with the exact same ad-text and cuts out the affiliate.

    Just use that as an excuse if anyone ever asks why you blank referrals. Tell them it happened to you before. Depending on the network they may just ask you to stop running that particular offer if the traffic isn't backing out. You should rotate offers from about 10 different networks though to fly under the radar.