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My Adsense site is not ranking on google after a LOT of work...

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by fedez, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. fedez

    fedez Registered Member

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    Somone told me to not build backlinks and use on page seo (like internal linking, silo structure, and quality content) to get natural ranking. He told me I should get it on 15-20 on google and then one good link would put it on page 1. Well i've tried it
    - I have 38 high quality articles (700-1000 words), they are all personally written and reviewed.
    - My articles use lists, images, and tables, so its good quality stuff.
    - I've reduced the keyword density to beteen 1% and 3%.
    - I have one ad in the banner, one in the side bar and one in the bottom of the site (maybe too many ads?).
    - I'm also using a silo structure. The main page of the site links out to the 6 other categories (jobs, accommodation, etc) and each of these pages links to its sub pages. Plus within each sub cateogry there is internal linking in the pages (where relevant).
    - The website has been indexed for 3-4 months now. I built it up very slowly.

    My main keyword for which I wanted to rank is not anywhere in the first 20 pages of google. So I assume its not even there. However I am ranking for some other related long tail keywords for like 77th position and 100th position (all very bad). And since my competition is not even that tough, im assuming I must be doing something wrong. Can anyone help me? I can pm the links if you need to see it.
     
  2. pitiku00

    pitiku00 Registered Member

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    it depends on your main keyword. if you're trying to rank for "car insurance" with that, good luck with that! but if you're trying to rank on micro niches then you're doing something wrong. try at least buying some social signals (shares, tweets etc) and social bookmarks. if that doesn't do anything for you, then start buying some links because you need it.

    it has nothing to do with the number of ads on your page.
     
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  3. KHer0

    KHer0 Senior Member

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    He also told you that you should go after LTK which you looks loke you gained ranks in. You cant rank for +1000 keyword with content only in a fresh new website :) And 37 articles isnt even close to gain authority!

    I think he also said in the last message start pushing LTK that has ranking to the first page :)However, good luck finding the help you need
     
  4. WebLab

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    if its 3-4 months old website then you should start backlinking.
     
  5. fedez

    fedez Registered Member

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    @KHero
    Lol, fine i'll do that. I'll tailer the articles differently to build up on the ltk (14 of them so far)

    @WebLab, Pitiku00
    Isn't buying back links black hat? I mean is there a risk of getting banned?
     
  6. binaryking

    binaryking Regular Member

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    Content is king, backlink is queen.
     
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  7. huyphan47

    huyphan47 Junior Member

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    I'm also trying this ranking without backlinks method but haven't seen any result yet. It's definitely harder than it sounds
     
  8. simplyjo

    simplyjo Power Member

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    Well, you can rank with content as long as you have a couple of solid backlinks (Like article submissions/ Web 2.0 / high pr guest posts) - I am no SEO expert but this has worked for me in past for low comp kw's.
     
  9. WebLab

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    Backlinking is a part of SEO, whether you buy it or create yourself.
     
  10. fedez

    fedez Registered Member

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    Got it. I jsut want to know how well you can rank for a medium-high difficulty keyword without back links. If the answer is no more than page 8 or 9 than I know my problem. But if there is more I can do on page than I want to do that.

    one more question...

    is using seo plugin in wordpress useful? Say that I have an article that is supposed to target keyword "x" but then I also end up using keyword "Y" naturally in the article (as it is relevant). Woud it be smart to use an SEO plugin to help google classfiy it? I mean what if you leave title meta empty? does google use the default or not count the meta at all?
     
  11. jejestandar

    jejestandar Newbie

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    Damn, what is this silo things, why people keep complicate everything. OP why don't you spy your competitor and see for yourself is this guy using silo-silo with his site?
     
  12. Reyone

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    YO dawg, let me tell you something, stop whining like a lil bitch and man the fuck up, i can sell you some man up pills if you want.

    Listen, I recently started a brand and I just got around 40 articles and I am just getting started... I mean, I don't even look at the article number and neither should you.
    Looking at numbers and getting obsessed with this doesn't get here this doesn't get there won't work. If you are going white hat via content, do some fucking marketing man... spread the word, get your site across related forums, get the word out... hire people to spread it even further, gather a team.
    More importantly, focus on REAL marketing, and if you fail, go ahead and do some SEO. Don't get started in a huge auth project if you gonna be tired after 38 articles... 38 articles is what some brands publish a day.

    Whatever you do man, do not behave like a whinny bitch, coz that won't take you anywhere.

    There is no such thing as ranking without links...
    1- You gonna need an awesome internal structure, but you know what??? If google decides so, your linking structure will fall into pieces. WORRY ABOUT QUALITY AND REAL MARKETING.
    2- I've ranked for kws without doing much linking, but one thing for certain, you won't be ranking for 10k/search words.

     
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  13. samsonius

    samsonius Newbie

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    Who told you not to build backlinks? Thats stupid, how else do you want to build up a reputation in Googles eyes? Sure, not only with just backlinking but its a important part when it comes to rank a site
     
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  14. ProSEO Show

    ProSEO Show Regular Member

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    You've got enough content and the site is old enough to start doing some link building. Don't buy shit packages for cheap - go manually build links, get .edu's, maybe some private networks - but certainly nothing that offers "thousands of links" for $5.00 lol. Also what have you done in terms of social networks? At least make a profile on all the top social networking sites, and get some social indicators (likes, tweets, all that good shit).

    Pinterest some of your images, blast repins / favorites with Add Me Fast. On-Page SEO is not the only "natural" or "risk-free" method for ranking a site. Manually build some web 2.0's with quality content on them and link those back to your site. Hit the web 2.0's with social signals to get them indexed fast...assuming the competition for your main keyword isn't too crazy, you're on the right track to getting that page ranked - just a little more work involved...
     
  15. fedez

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    I appreciate your advice but dude stfu im not whining, im asking a question, why u trying to be all macho? It's has nothing to do with attitude and everything to do with what you know. And I dont have a million effin dollars to gather a team and outsource this shit. Thos brands have a team of slaves in india working for them. I've written and edited everything myself, from scratch, having no computer knowledge. Fuck it took me a month just to learn wordpress. If I was a whiner I would quit at the third month. And my keyword is 12000 monthly search... so its not even easy competition
     
  16. fedez

    fedez Registered Member

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    How should I manually build links? Should I email edu sites and offer to buy link? Or post in do follow blogs using scrapebox? I have a facebook page with three likes, no twitter page yet.

    My backlinking so far:

    - 6 web 2.0s (3 posts on each, one linking to my main site and one to an authority site) each web 2.0 700-1000 words.
    - 3 Article submissions (each with a link to my main page)
    - 2 doc submissions (each with a link in the footer)

    I've made sure to use varied anchor text, 20% exact match, 40% semantic and 40 % generic.
    I have NOT yet hit the 2.0's with social signals ( so I buy these from fiverr?)
     
  17. fedez

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    My competitor sites are pretty bad except one which is a major authority site. But most of the top 10 have less content. They have ads above the fold, they dont use silo structure, their keyword density is 3 to 4%. But they're domain rank is 3. I checked their back-links and it seems some authority sites like real estate sites have linked to them (maybe they paid or maybe it was natural)... who knows. But if I look at the competition i see some really bad sites in the top 20.
     
  18. ProSEO Show

    ProSEO Show Regular Member

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    Lol noo don't email contacts from college / university websites. If you really need an .edu link, there are still quite a few do follow blogs (many are subdomains of .edu's). You manually post comments, make them pertain to the blog page - no generic shit...you really have to read it and write a response that is relevant. There are many other types of links besides .edu though. Don't get caught up in focusing on one specific type of link. The idea is to have many different sources of links, diverse anchor text, and not weird or suspicious types of links. Weird or suspicious would be like 10,000 forum signatures / profiles with your URL and the exact same anchor text in a short period of time, and then no links again for a while, then doing it again...sometimes just the initial time would set off a red flag. Your goal when building links is trying to replicate a natural following of links building up (at least through the perspective of a sophisticated search engine's spider), while getting away with whatever exploits you can at the time, and avoiding any penalties along the way.
     
  19. jinntana

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    you need quite alot of patience waiting to rank with no backlinks lol
     
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  20. huyphan47

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    Of course I'm not hoping to rank first page for anything without backlinks, the idea behind this is to optimize websites the best I can before throwing links at them