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My 15 year roller coaster of a journey

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by dannyhw, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. dannyhw

    dannyhw Senior Member

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    So I see a lot of "My journey to $XX/day" threads and thought I'd try to make as short a lifetime big picture thread as I could. Hopefully there's some helpful knowledge and encouragement in here.

    When I started, I had a Newspro (dafuq is wordpress??) site with photoshop and programming tutorials. Most of my traffic was from trading links with other sites I actually read and followed. I don't know what the first money was, but I made small amounts for a while and was just happy to be getting that from my traffic.

    One day this company named themestream came on the scene, and they had this deal where if you hosted your content on their site they'd pay you $0.10/raw page view. Yeah, seriously. I had about 2,000 uniques a day, most reading several articles, so for a high school kid I was pretty happy.

    I was also into hacking, and had learned a bit about money and the internet, so the two kind of came together when I started conversing more with the guys who were into mailing. I wasn't a great programmer, but I could reverse engineer anything so I started building mailing software. I mean very black phishing hacking cracking trojan virus mailing software. Within a few weeks of deciding I was going to be an earner, I was making between $500-1,500 a day without a problem.

    From mailing I went on to things like IM spamming, some other stuff. Always some sort of spam while doing R&D on other stuff. A point came around the end of high school where I decided my time was too valuable to write code to break captchas and get around filters, so I said fuck mailing.

    There wasn't such a thing as "blackhat seo", but there were definitely blackhat tactics going around. Lots of link trading, keyword stuffing, things like that. I just put it all together and scaled it up to the point where I was buying domains that were guaranteed to be able to have millions of pages indexed and had scripts running to return the content and cloak the traffic. Not rocket science. I pushed various thing, but I had a sweet spot where my cloaker combined with the new pay per install programs combined with a secret internet explorer exploit I discovered and kept secret for YEARS kept me going.

    Now here's the thing about having the blackhat wet dream. I was totally lazy. I would develop stuff but I never gave a shit about money so when the algorithm changed I wasn't prepared for the first time. I freaked out a little bit because I had always had an ace up my sleeve that let me work an hour a week and bring in $10,000 or $15,000 or whatever a month.

    After some stress and depression, I took a job as a marketing consultant and developer for way less than what I had been making. I hated it at the time, but it opened a whole new world to me. I couldn't make ANY money doing blackhat when I took that job, but for clients I could get #1 for top financial terms like it was nothing. For all the money I made with my own hustle, I was gaining skills that made me extremely employable. My salary was shit when I took that first job, but that was a few years ago and every year since then I find something new that pays $10,000 more.

    The big picture lesson here kids is fuck your journey to $20/day or $5,000/month. You might have something that works for a while, then it's gone. If you're really serious about changing your life with this shit you're doing, do it for the practice. I was lucky I got money, not because I got to spend it but because it gave me freedom to educate myself. If you're doing this because you need to support yourself right now go get a job. At the same time I know there are people on here who can build traffic but aren't making money. If you can build traffic and rank sites that'll land you a career a college education can't. Real talk. Keep doing it.
     
  2. georgemichael

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    Thanks for the share..what are you currently doing for work ?
     
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    Nice writing danny. Same thing happened to me, I was making little more than 1k a day, but Google slapped me away. The point of the IM should be to learn the ecosystem of it and create the business, not usng other businesses, this is the way to make money in a long term.
     
  4. dannyhw

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    Right now I'm in between starting a consulting business and looking for another full time engineering job. I've had 3 straight software engineering jobs and found something wrong with each one. Big tech teams are kind of a nightmare, especially for big publishing sites with lots of editors.
     
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    Not everybody is unsuccessful IMer like you :) You have to adapt, you have to be creative. Internet is no education because there is not College for internet?
     
  6. dannyhw

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    Well the point is going out in the world counts as adapting and getting creative. If you've got something making $1,000 a day in affiliate commissions great, but remember that when you promote affiliate programs you're competing with all the other affiliates in that niche. If you get a reputable client with resources and apply the same skills you might find you're doing much less work, making them tons of money and being paid accordingly.