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You ever considered buying likes, follows, & other forms of engagement?

You ever do it?

You ever see someone else do it?

You ever suggest someone else do it?​

Here’s the tl;dr version of everything that will follow these words:
You Considered it? It’s a bad idea. Leave it at that.
You Did it? & Regret it? Find a way to undo it (see threads on removing inactive followers)
You see someone else do it? Have them check this post out.
You ever suggest someone else do it? Apologize to them & have them read this.
(unless you were pointing them to your service. Then you read the words I have for SM Panels ;) )

Approach to Explore the Problem
Here’s a simple way to think about this, without going into all of the nuances of Instagram’s algorithm (which may relate to [insert your favorite SMP]'s algorithm)

Human Engagement = Reach
High Engagement = High Reach
Less Engagement = Less Reach

High Engagement & Low Engagement are relative to the account size & reach of the posts they share.

If you get the above, you don’t need to read any further.
But it’s worth reading further to really drill this in understanding, since we will highlight the problem, then show why Fake Engagement is Bad.


THE PROBLEM
Many believe the platform is as simple as Engagement = Reach.
Believing this, they see “low engagement” as a problem, given IG (or whatever network) will limit your views.

This is not wrong, since at the end of it, low engagement typically correlates to low reach.
However, the way many think about this is

Oversimplifying “the problem” creates neglect for an important detail missed.

Humans are not Engagement.
Humans are not Likes.
Humans are not Followers.

Humans engage & do these things.
Humans are not these things.

Very evident. It almost shouldn’t need to be said.
However, many do utilize Fakes, ask about it on this platform, & (even worse) suggest it.
Because many fundamentally forget that users on the platform, the users of these accounts, are Humans.

Common questions asked that show this:

“How do i get more likes?”
“What’s a good Followers provider?” [Proceeds to admit, "my follower count is kinda low, need to get that up. Preferably drip-fed]
“I just bought likes & followers, but my engagement got worse after the few days of growth. What gives?”​

The Fundamental Answer [Which also answers the above questions in order]:

Post stuff that inspires humans to like your content.

The best follower provider is your audience, your niche, & your expertise; whatever way you package that to inspire people to want to follow you.

Doing all this & getting to that point where you want to buy engagement to “fix the problem?”

Mistaking humans for engagement metrics is a great start to going down this road & getting to that last question I left unanswered [What gives?].

Face the first & most critical problem:

Humans didn’t want to engage. Humans didn’t want to follow.

Inspire them to do otherwise.

Buying engagement only magnifies this problem.
Because buying engagement will create a new problem to 100x the original problem:

Humans won’t see your content. [This is What gives ;) ]

Let’s revisit the Algorithm now to understand why this happens.

The Algorithm
Here’s how the IG algorithm generally works for the content creator/poster [this is not new information]:

You post a piece of content.​
The content gets pushed out to a portion of your audience.​
The content gets pushed to more of your audience if the original group engages enough with the post.​
If you used hashtags or location tags, these will open up the pool to a wider audience & follow the same logic as the humans who follow your page.

Thus, more engagement = more exposure.

The algorithm was designed this way & is generally a good system because it gives human users more of what they want to see on the platform so they stay on longer (& gain more opportunities to collect data).

The algorithm assumes this model on the premise that the accounts represents human users. It becomes obvious how destructive getting engagement from such a spam/bot account is to your account once you understand the algorithm expects engagement to come from human users.

Once you think of “followers,” “likes,” and “comments” as something that comes from living humans & instagram builds its algorithm from human-motivated inputs (from views to engagement, from the home feed to the explore feed) you would begin to see why putting non-human engagement on your account in any way will gradually destroy the account.

Instagram won’t fundamentally distinguish between human & non-human followers. So the non-human users will impact how Instagram gradually exposes your posts to the accounts who follow you. The more non-human accounts exist in that pool, the fewer the real human pool is; If these non-human followers don’t interact [whether its voluntary or involuntary…like lockouts] from that pool, or any subsequent pool, it will algorithmically kill the reach cycle of your posts.

Now that is solely with just engagement on posts correlating with reach. Imagine that with your other metrics, like saves, comments, views, etc. Your posts reach will live and die on these accounts by inviting them into your pool. You want to leave this to a group of non-human users, most of which you don’t control either? All this ignores how Instagram deals with bot/spam accounts who serve no benefit to the ecosystem. So you would also have to factor in Instagram’s ability to detect these accounts & remove them from the platform. And let’s not forget to mention instagram potentially removing public like counts [while it seems optional for now from the latest we’ve seen].

AND ALL THE ABOVE ignores the challenges of finding good providers for these services, at a rate you deem affordable. All that time & energy & MONEY, put in could have gone into… a more effective, efficient, & cost friendly way of growing your page(s).


Fundamentally, its a bad idea to use fake engagement if you care the slightest about the account you are thinking of using them on. Practically, its a terrible idea to use fake engagement if you care about the account for some purpose beyond the platform. The engagement contributes little to your account given who its coming from. At best the benefits are minimal, but imagine how high the cost can be in time, energy, & money spent in trying to grow it (then recover it once you see how shit it is).

Last thing I will mention to save any repetitive replies to this post [lets see how this goes]: If you still believe using Fake Engagement is a good idea, or something worth pursuing, feel free to find out for yourself. I purposely didn’t exhaust this thought out because it’s not worth doing so as a complete freebie when I have projects to attend, complete honesty.

Sure, you can buy/create as many accounts as needed to keep up the engagement so you become your own provider, but once the algo notices the pattern, it will start blocking & banning those accounts to kill that. But now your role/job description (in reference to growing your account) is account management. See how much time & energy you’ll have left to actually focus on the page. It’s not as easy as some believe it looks.

You can also do the dress up technique to make sure these accounts look “authentic.” However, you are only playing yourself & using energy trying to prolong something unsustainable. [See also: m/s challenges that most people who engage the method will face. No knock on this method. Major props to everyone who still makes this work]

I’ll repeat this as the closing statement:

You could put all that time, energy & MONEY into…a different way of approaching your account’s growth.

[Last End Note: I respect SM Panels for providing the services they do. Even if their services notably downgraded in quality as a niche, they are helping customers’ ego feel better about their page. Vanity is evergreen for many. It is what it is. However, if you have a heart as a provider, point them to this thread. If they still buy from you, you know you got a good.....vain....& loyal... customer ;)]
 

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I love the way you explained things but Instagram isn't that easy after all.

People can post the most creative thing out there and still not get good engagement because the algorithm doesn't support them.
That's where the marketing aspect comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the cheap SMM panels as idle followers can do more harm than good.

But you would need some sort of marketing edge so that you don't have to wait for years and achieve big numbers in a short span of time!
 
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I love the way you explained things but Instagram isn't that easy after all.

People can post the most creative thing out there and still not get good engagement because the algorithm doesn't support them.
That's where the marketing aspect comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the cheap SMM panels as idle followers can do more harm than good.

But you would need some sort of marketing edge so that you don't have to wait for years and achieve big numbers in a short span of time!
I’m interested in your services, I’m not able to PM you
 

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whats fake engagement? I have trouble understanding it.

As the post describes: engagement from non-human/regular accounts. Specifically the kind that exist for no other reason than to help a target page's numbers look good.

I love the way you explained things but Instagram isn't that easy after all.

People can post the most creative thing out there and still not get good engagement because the algorithm doesn't support them.
That's where the marketing aspect comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the cheap SMM panels as idle followers can do more harm than good.

But you would need some sort of marketing edge so that you don't have to wait for years and achieve big numbers in a short span of time!

Appreciated. Indeed, the marketing aspect comes in at the point where the algo doesn't support them.
But its quite a jump to assume you need "big numbers" to deem your post (brand) successful.
Greed is an individual problem. Not an Instagram Problem.
There are marketing methods specific to IG (Name almost any other Grey hat method out there) that are

1) More effective
2) Cost less
3) Have significantly higher Long term value

Than buying this sort of engagement.

I'd argue, the only people needing to buy panel services, are those who already have the claim to fame.
For them, the boost only highlights and they have a large enough audience that deems anything mentioned above negligible.
And they have the (very large) budget to cover their ass if needed.

Anyone else is better off sticking to tried and true methods & paying the price of experience (or borrowing the network power from someone else).

I doubt this space will go away, at least because not everyone will read this & understand it enough to direct their energy elsewhere.
I'm not even calling for it to go away since people can't help themselves for "quick fixes."
I believe there are good uses for panels, especially the ones who know what they're doing.
I also believe there are good panel operators who do their best to offer this.
But if someone does actually want to benefit from their marketing effort, and let IG do its thing to support them, this is most likely not the way.

That doesn't mean this is wrong & that anyone is bad for using or selling fake engagement.
However, there's not much "right" with it to justify their use in the end.
40x more for inexperienced marketers on IG.

For people considering panels and too lazy to read the OP: Get #s first, then ***consider*** using panels.
Either you will know exactly what you are doing with them & find one that works, or you won't touch them in pursuing another alternative [in part because there are so few doing this high level stuff, you could benefit better using that energy into methods that already work].
 
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Thanks for taking the time to write this out @bmanfacts !

You're not wrong, but I believe there's still a lot to gain from gaming the algo strategically.
 

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Bookmarked it OP. It might be useful for maintaining good audience retention.

You will may great use of it, I'm sure.
Best wishes on your journey & thank you for stopping by!

I'm glad the message was received clearly
Thanks for taking the time to write this out @bmanfacts !

You're not wrong, but I believe there's still a lot to gain from gaming the algo strategically.

Much appreciated.
There's no disagreement there. In that lense, all I'm saying is you are better off using other methods frequently discussed on this forum vs using fake engagement.
If you're not a pro, and you don't understand what use value they have for YOU (You = Anyone considering using fake engagement), its not worth your time. Something else is.
If that point makes sense & followed up with action on focusing on something more beneficial to your goals, then this point I made was not shared in vain.
 
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