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[MUST READ] Mind over Matter; Reasons over Acts === Why Rep System Is Gone.

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  1. royserpa

    royserpa Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hello guys,

    How are ya?

    Hopefully great!

    Before reading any further, please be aware that this is a thread about, not only the reputation system, but about us, human beings, how we think, act and how we can improve BHW as a community and not throwing out opportunities that are disguised as "unnecessary trash".

    This is not another whinning thread about the reputation system, but a reflecting thread and how you can better your life in a breeze :)


    Here's a simple index of what you can expect down here:

    1. Mind Over Matter
    2. Perfecting Systems
    3. How this realates to the removal of the Rep System.
    4. tl;dr (if you are lazy or don't have time ;) )

    1. Mind Over Matter

    Now, let's start with the famous quote: "Mind rules over matter". Before we draw any conclusions about how this affects out lives and everybody around us, the first thing that might come to our mind after reading that quote, might be something like the Star Wars movies or even something like the Matrix movies.

    In reality, that might exist or not, but a GREAT example of how Mind rules over Matter is: Imagine a single mom with her child on the worst economical situation. If she really wants to make his child grow in a better place, she WILL do anything at her disposal to make that happen. In this example, a reason changed her child's world, even if she doesn't become rich, she has done everything in her power to make her child proud and, at least at some level, successful.

    1 reason can change the whole world!

    Someone might steal something not because he's evil, but because maybe he's hungry and only wants to eat. His reason was simply: Get rid of the hunger I am feeling NOW! Even after the action of stealing IS wrong, the reason was right, though it was a quite impulsive action, the reason and hunger thoughts made that happen.

    Forgiving and Fixing Mistakes should be the new everyday-motto! :)

    In the example above, where the dude stole some food, the best scenario would be that he recognises what he did and offers a solution of what he did. Maybe he could go to prison for 48 hours (or whatever amount) but then, he could go with the shop owner and offer him a solution; it could be volunteer work or sth. The point is that even after making the wrong actions even for the right reasons, everything can be forgiven and EVEN, fixed :)

    2. Perfecting Systems :)

    Before talking about how this relates to the removal of the Rep System, I would like to talk a little about systems and how they have been evolving :) (This will be quite short :) )

    A real life example of what I am trying to say ;)

    Ok guys, in this part, I could talk about any system at all, but I want to focus on manmade systems.

    If you remember Tesla or even Ford, what both have in common is that they started at the bottom. They created their "systems" on each of their own "paths" (Electricity and Cars respectively), and they never "trashed out" any of their "systems" just because. At some point in time, their paths ended up on a brick wall. They could have easily abandoned their dreams, their goals and their careers.

    What I am trying to say here is that none of those people, EVER, "trashed out" their systems.

    What they did is FIX whatever was wrong and keep on going. :)
    What they did is FIX whatever was wrong and keep on going. :)
    What they did is FIX whatever was wrong and keep on going. :)

    3. How does this have to do with the Rep System?

    In very simple words:

    The Action was that the Rep System was removed.
    The Reason was that the Rep System was abused by many.
    BUT, there was never, or at least I am not aware of, a solution or at least a WAY of fixing the abuse and missuse of the Rep System.

    4. tl;dr :D

    So I am encouraging everyone to post below a solution on how to stop this abusing.

    Of course the easiest solution would be to just get rid of the whole system, right? I mean, you get rid of the system and there's no more system to worry about! :D

    But I have been a member on this forum for almost 4 years (though, I have been more active in teh last 6 months), and I have seen really good things happening. Like detectives getting all of the information of scammers (coughW130SNcough :) ).

    And I really believe we can get back the rep system or something very similar as iTrade is for business and the rep system was, mainly, for how much you contributed ;)

    Have a great Sunday, guys!! :)

    -royserpa
     
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  2. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Agree and nice post. But I think maybe it will get removed as I don't think rep is a topic we can talk about any more (hope I'm wrong).
     
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  3. royserpa

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    I also hope the same.
    I really think that we can, somehow, fix or update the rep system :)
     
  4. steelballs

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    Phew with the greatest respect is this tome in The New York Times best sellers list...:p
     
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    If it were to come back, all they would need to do is make the Rep public to everyone, just like iTrader. That way you could notice the trend of someone +Rep the same person several times and it could be reported. That and or just only allowing people to +Rep and -Rep each person once for life. Just a few of my ideas, don't really care if the Rep system is here or not. Also maybe only allowing Positive rep, instead of negative rep, that would remove a lot of the arguments, considering majority were related to neg rep.
     
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  6. illfounded21

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    I've been away for a week or so, I assume the system got banned?

    I knew there was something brewing, but I'm surprised it is gone.
     
  7. royserpa

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    Hahaha n1 bro :D

    Nice idea, though, I really think we would need something more "solid" so it couldn't be abused as it was. :)
     
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  8. srinu0812

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    There is also an other version of this. People say that "REP" actually helps to differentiate spammers and all.
    OP - Rep is removed and lets move on.
     
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    Its gone because of the rep circles and abusing of the rep system by some members.
     
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    Just stop posting about reputation. When I joined the forum, no one gave attention to it and the forum was much better. Maybe it shouldnt be allowed to talk about rep anymore since people cant use it anyway and it would make people have more focus.
     
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    Agreed. And I saw Wiz closing all the rep related discussions. Let us not discuss about it.
     
  12. SnakePliskin

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    Personally, I think the word "rep" should be banned from use. Like when you type in certain affiliate networks and they show up in all asterisks like *******. Nice thread, op. I love the change, because now more methods are being shared. More people are coming out of the wood works to share their thoughts on topics that involve money.
     
  13. royserpa

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    Again guys, I was just trying to give it a 2nd chance :)

    Things will go as admin(s) say(s) :)
     
  14. royserpa

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    As I said guys, rep can stay shut or we could try to fix it OR we could create something similar that wouldn't be so easy to abuse. Simply to watch who can we trust "more" or who has more "reputable" power of some sort :)
     
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    There is no solution because the solution has already been given. I get where you're coming from and even suggested the same thing but it's just not in the cards. Though if there was a "contributions" number that could be only given to you by a moderator once a good enough contribution had been made, I think that is actually a good idea and a good way of controlling it.
     
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    The issue has been resolved. Time to move on.

    Thread closed.
     
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