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Multiple Companies for Blackhatters?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SebastianJu, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. SebastianJu

    SebastianJu Power Member

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    Hello,

    I often read the suggestion to launch new projects with a new own company. For example for a simple new adsense account.

    So if I think about the same thing in my country a new company would mean to pay for creating one, the need of making extra tax declaration, yearly charges for chamber of commerce, new accounting and so on.

    Dont you have to worry about such things in us or are you that sure to make enough money out of such new company to build one?

    Greetings!
    Sebastian
     
  2. Leads Provider

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    Lets see what other members have to say about this..Waiting for others posts.
     
  3. GuerillaDreamer

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    I think blackhatters do the exact opposite. They try to keep distance from all the legal aspects. That's the reason the name starts with black, because people tend to do some shady things. Most of them do not desire the hassle that a company implies and of which you started to speak.

    And if you were to build one, you would start by making some money and only then consider taking the legal route. Not the other way around.
     
  4. sdtopensied

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    I think you hit the nail on the head. Most of the people who actually make money at this later decide to set up an LLC. I doubt that many people set up an LLC and then start blackhatting and trying to make money.

    Start out with baby steps. But start.

    -SDT


     
  5. Megalomaniac Midget

    Megalomaniac Midget Power Member Premium Member

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    Everyone is brainwashed via the schooling systems into following the "career" path, what they don't teach you in school is; All legal systems & taxation systems are biased towards corporations.

    Corporations [artificial person] pay tax based on NET profit, individuals [human beings] pay tax on GROSS income. This is the reason most people NEVER get ahead, but a business can have exponential growth.

    Via the use of corporations you can LAWFULLY create new artificial persons to sidestep network bans, google domain ownership tracking, etc, etc. $200-$400 investment in a new corp. creation, is a great investment against been sent to jail for identity fraud & you can lawfully minimize your tax via buying more income producing assets, etc, etc
     
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  6. moneyandhotgayguys

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    LLCs are expensive, I brought mine prematurely for $900 and that is a whitehat US company. Offshore blackhat companies would be more, by blackhat, I of course mean with stake holder privacy protection, so be sure you're making enough for it to be worthwhile.
     
  7. TheInsider

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    How about this.. Join a CPA company.. enter my new company, llc, use a different paypal acct for payout.. next one use an epass account, next one get a check.. etc.. u can use 1 company for atleast 4 different payout methods and still stay legit.. then you have the semi-legit places like..http://www.vcardpro.com/solutions/shop_us.htm where you get specific info to wire to a private virtual account. Then spend it like cash ;)
     
  8. SebastianJu

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    Thats the thing I meant. The new identity. I think making business without the legal frontdoor will attract bad attention. I think getting caught for not paying tax is a thing that should be avoidable.

    I only asked because I have read manuals in the past where someone for example described that you can have a new adsenseaccount when you create a new identity by getting a corporation. So such manuals sounded to me that there will be a way to use companies like virtual credit cards.

    But there isnt a way to have a legal corporation without the costs that result in such things isnt it? Or would it be possible by law to create a corporation, register with the info wherever you want and earn money and after all you write all of your income to another corporation you own? So that you can say that the second corporation didnt made any earnings? Wouldnt work when irs is checking the thing isnt it? If it would work you could say to the chamber of commerce you didnt made earnings and you shouldnt be in the need to pay yearly fee. And a tax-declaration should be easy enough to fill in by yourself the zeros.

    But I think that wouldnt work...

    Greetings!
    Sebastian
     
  9. Megalomaniac Midget

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    I have two adsense accounts & google are cool with that because one is under my corporation & the other is personal. A corporation is more than a new identity, its actually a new legalese "person" with its own rights & responsibilities.

    For blackhat stuff one of the best corporations is a LLC from USA states like Delaware because the owner can be a non-resident alien. Delaware laws shield the identity and personal information of the LLC owner. No state income tax for Delaware corporations that operate out of state.

    Its about $200 to $300 to setup a LLC & you have to sort out a virtual office for mail & ph forwarding.

    But at the end of the day, if your not making any money, all the above is a total waste of time.
     
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  10. bizcredit

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    Well in the US there is the yearly fee from the state to have a corporation. The owner can fill out tax forms himself for a small filing fee. If there is no profit there is no tax, if the owner of a corporation pays himself the profit he'll just pay it on his personal tax return since the company has 0 profit 0 taxes.

    Chamber of commerce in the US is optional and not necessary for a company that does not to local business.

    In some states it costs more, but my state a corporation is about $100-200 a year. If you cannot earn $200 a year the corporation is the last thing you need.
     
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  11. zeroskater

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    I believe the exact same thing, I realize today that most of my friends that have graduated are not doing what they wanted to do in life
    however alot of the big business owners(EXTREMLY RICH PEOPLE) never graduated high school

    Blackhat generally means illegal so unless you got mega amounts of money for br ibes and whatnot you should aviod any legal aspect
     
  12. SebastianJu

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    That sounds interesting... So does that mean I could open a LLC even when im not a citizen of the USA? I ever wanted to have a Yahoo Partner Network Account so through this way it should be possible? (There would be more advantages but one I see at the moment...)

    I think the setupfee will be ok. Mail and ph forwarding too.

    How about the tax? What happens when I, like bizcredit said, pay out all the money that was made to the ceo, which would be me? Would I have to pay us-tax on that workerincome? Or would I in the end dont pay any tax for all of that and would only pay tax in my country for the income?

    I only dont like the paperwork. When there is a yearly fee I would have to pay for holding such a llc I could say to myself this makes sense or not. But when I need to go through all that tax-jungle too or have to pay tax-specialists where I dont see before what it will cost in the end... I dont know...

    PS: I thought again about it and I think giving all the earned money to the ceo wont lead to a easy tax declaration. Because I had to make accounting for every earning and so on... And I need to provide that accounting when there would be a tax-checking. So probably there isnt a way around this work...

    Greetings!
    Sebastian
     
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  13. bizcredit

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    You have to make accounting for every earning... well you have bank statements. Only things coming into the company should be income for the company. When you write a check to yourself from the company, its an expense.


    Company A earns $10,000 on an affiliate network, they get a check and deposit it in the bank. They have to pay hosting, $250, and advertising, $1000. That's $8750 profit. Company A then has to pay the man that made it all happen, the company owner. Company A pays him $8750 and Company A has no money in the bank. Zero profit. All accounted for.
     
  14. SHOwnsYou

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    That is deceptive.

    The LLC has tax obligations on any money that it pays out as paychecks.

    The LLC bears a ~7.5% tax for Social Security/FICA. The recipient of the paycheck will bear the other ~7.5%.

    How it occurs without an LLC, is simply that you will pay a certain % tax on your earnings, and the entire 15% of the social security/FICA tax is included in this.
     
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