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MSN Ranking Loophole - anyone getting any results?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dirtysecret, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. dirtysecret

    dirtysecret Regular Member

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    I was wondering if anyone else here at BHW tried the MSN ranking loophole method, and if so, are you getting any results?

    Currently, only 2 of my 10 money sites are even INDEXED. I built all of my blog link farms around around the end of November (30 total). Most are indexed, but the degree of indexing is low (i.e. each blog/domain has 100s of posts, but usually only a few dozen of them are indexed).

    I think I may have targeted too competitive of a niche for my money sites, but that would only explain why they are not ranking well, not why they are not even getting indexed.

    Thanks for listening to me cry a while, I'm just wondering if anyone has had any results at all from this method. The hosting is expensive and I'm gonna have to pull the plug soon if it doesn't start generating some cash. :(
     
  2. blackhaze

    blackhaze Power Member

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    sadly.
     
  3. dirtysecret

    dirtysecret Regular Member

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    How much did you put into it? (i.e. how many blogs do you have)

    I saw that the guys who sold the ebook are coming out with a linking service where you can get your $sites added to their blog link farm. I suspect that you might need 100s of blogs auto-blogging for many, many months before you will see results but I am hesitant to invest $100s more dollars in domain names and hosting to see if that's the case.

    I'd like to hear at least one success story before I invest any further, even if it is for a "niche" like "growing hydroponic tomatoes" or something other joke keyword.
     
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    If your 30 blog farms are scraped rewrites I think that is the start of your problems

    If a human can't read them then the search engines will see them as spam and discount any back links to your money pages which i hope you spent a lot of time making them just so

    Better Quality Back Links will get you indexed in MSN

    I just had a site deindexed by them last nov 1000+ back links later they reindex just the index page. lol only 8 more pages to go now, so about 10,000 links should sort that problem

    hope that help you


    Make your own back links buying into a link fram you have no control
     
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  5. dynamicvb

    dynamicvb Regular Member

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    I must have missed this. What is the MSN ranking loophole?
     
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    This is Chris Rempel's new technique for getting #1 Keyword rank on MSN's Live search engine.
     
  7. dirtysecret

    dirtysecret Regular Member

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    I'm using the caffeinated content plugin. I've actually looked at my blogs a bit and it all looks completely natural.

    Better Quality Back Links will get you indexed in MSN

    any idea how it happened?

    no doubt. i never had any intention of buying a spot in their link farm. The only reason I brought it up is because, to me, it suggests that pulling this thing off requires a lot more blogs and a lot more time than dave k/chris r suggest.
     
  8. johnd01

    johnd01 Newbie

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    Indexing with msn using this method has been slower than normal. It seems as though sites launched in early december aren't showing results yet.

    The answer is more links. The network has to be big enough to get MSNs attention. And it seems like 10 or 20 sites in a network won't do it.
     
  9. dirtysecret

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    I've currently got 30 blogs on 10 class IPs. Each has been up since approx Nov 20-30th. Each has atleast 100 posts (probably closer to 200 by now) so there's plenty of spider food, should msnbot actually choose to index it (it seems even the ones that have been spidered have been only very shallowly indexed).

    I suppose I could put a couple more blogs on each IP, however I don't want to push it. Afraid I'll kill the goose before it gets and chance to lay eggs.
     
  10. johnd01

    johnd01 Newbie

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    With MSN it is REAL hard to kill any goose. Links an quantity are the answer. Your network from end Nov or early Dec will just sit without indexing otherwise.
     
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    MSN done a stack of updates a couple of weeks back to the crawler and algo, the new crawler is called "msnbot/1.1" and there was some scoring changes.

    So (i believe the method was BS anyway) but it's probable that what little it did work has been changed.
     
  12. blackhaze

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    i made a bunch of blogs on diff IPs and keyword links, but they didnt even get indexed.
     
  13. toph421

    toph421 Newbie

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    Well i tried it but my website isnt indexed till now, and but same landing page doing well with MSN :).
     
  14. johnd01

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    toph how is the same landing page that is not indexed is also ranked with msn? Its hard to be ranked without indexing :)

    As far as the blueprint-it is a solid system, but like anything needs a little trial and error. Dave-the guy behind the system is legit. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not-I'm just putting it out there. I have followed his work for about 7 years now. He was teaching black hat network building while many of the members here were in middle school (or diapers) :)
     
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    Thanks for starting this thread. I've been wondering the same thing myself.

    Here's my situation:

    In the third week of November 2008, I set up 10 blogs and populated them with content using Caffeinated Content. I spent the next week building 6 money sites.

    By December 3, one of my money sites ranked #4 in MSN for the target keyword, and its ranking has been up and down since then, but the site has stayed on the first page of results. 9 out of 10 blogs were indexed (although not always fully indexed) in MSN.

    By December 15, I got a few emails saying "You just made a sale" or some such, and so I went and looked at where my traffic was coming from. Surprisingly, the traffic (and sales) came from G00gle. The site hadn't been picked up by Live yet. The money site ranked #8 in G and made me 3 sales. By the next day, the ranking fell to somewhere on page 2, resulting in no traffic and no sales.

    This past weekend (New Year's), I created 2 more money sites and updated my blogs with another round of content-fetching with CC. As of today, those 2 money sites have been indexed in G (and one of them has been ranking #1-3 for the past few days). Live has found one of the sites, but it's nowhere to be found in the SERPs unless you search for the domain name. Interestingly, Live has indexed one of these sites very shortly after it was uploaded, while some of the ones that I made back in November haven't been found. This is odd because I submitted all of the URLs directly to Live, and usually my sites are crawled and indexed within a few days after doing that.

    So overall, I'm actually getting better results in G00gle. Go figure.
     
  16. johnd01

    johnd01 Newbie

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    When MSN is indexing the do it in fits and starts...so if they missed you bc of bad timing in Nov or Dec push about the same number of links to those sites as you used initially (so double the initial links) and that is usually enough to get them to take action and rank your site.

    Its just a MSN quirk.
     
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  17. dirtysecret

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    How competitive was the keyword you were targeting?
    It's cool if you don't want to cough up the domain name/keyword, but how many search results come up on msn if you search for it?

    I think I may have targeted too competitive of keywords with my $ sites.


    Me too, but only because google is actually indexing my shit. Sure as hell can't say the same for MSN. I've actually lost some of my indexing over the last couple weeks.
     
  18. redfax1

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    Hi

    Thought I'd throw in my experiences as well.

    I set up ten blogs on five IPs, I used syndicatekahuna for content as its free.

    I have built four money sites, and done all the linkubaitor stuff too.

    After eight weeks, my first one page site was finally indexed in MSN, and a further week or two after that is now number four on page one, for a term with 11,300,000 competing phrase matched pages.
    My other site took the same amount of time (to the day), and is now 10th on page one for a term with 44,900,000 competing pages.

    The other two sites aren't even indexed yet.

    Both these terms get 10,000 searches per month, so I figured I would be getting 30-80 clicks a day for a page one listing, and even more if I got number one. 1% conversion I figured I'd make sale every day or two at least.

    But the traffic is just not there - I get 3-5 visitors per day at the very most, and have made one sale so far, which covered a months hosting.

    It works, I just don't know where MSN gets its stats from.

    Not sure either whether I should go for another 5 blogs, or give up, as it takes such a long time to see rankings.

    I'll give it another month, and report back.

    Sean

    PS - I gave it a push by spending $10 on DP, some guy offers you syndication of an article on a few hundred blogs.

    That helped.
     
  19. kiantoro1965

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    what is this thing all about?
     
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  20. yowies

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    If a human can't read them then the search engines will see them as spam

    But an algorithm is not a human..an algorithm could detect 1/over use of certain "key"words 2/duplicate content 3/size of site 4./linking etc.
    The fact that its crappy syntex to a human means jack to a bot.
    If you can cloak with original content"spam" that reads like shit..and get the pages ranking..then the same should apply for uncloaked pages with links with the same keyword spam structured text.