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[moved posts] The "millions dying" so do nothing debate

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by evilclown, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. evilclown

    evilclown Senior Member

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    Edit by Jazzc: I moved the posts from this thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...923-bhw-call-action-helping-friends-wife.html

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    While this is a sad story, and I know you have good intentions, where is the kids that could not eat today, or yesterday, or even a week ago? Where is the pledge for the kids that get sexually abused? Where is the pledge for many of the fathers that have lost their jobs and could not provide for their families? While I'm sorry, I don't want no one going trough this situation I don't like this kind of posts. Really, really sorry for my words and hope God give this family strength to overcome this situation, I will pray for her and her family. But please let's not do this on forums like this. I pledge that we give chance to everyone, or to no one.
     
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  2. CEPI

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    I have read your post like 5 times thinking I may have missed something worthwhile, but nope.

    Dude, I can't even respond to that. It's in the lounge and if it's not appropriate I will allow a moderator to tell me. Also, I asked for constructive marketing ideas along with any help.
     
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  3. pnvhq

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    While I can understand where you're coming from, I'm going to take the opposite position. This is the lounge, it's not like CEPI was promoting this in the main forums. Unless there's an explicit policy against this, I'd rather hear about charitable endeavors related to the BHW community once in a while as opposed to the 15 posts I see per day asking how to "make money fast."

    In regards to giving everyone a chance, I say why not? I'm not advocating having charities come and promote here, but if there is a connection to BHW, then why not give people a chance to talk about what they're doing outside of IM. If you want to help, great. If not, just click to the next thread, same as you'd do otherwise. Again, I stress that this is inherently an off-topic section of the forum, and would not be ok in other parts.

    These are just my thoughts, look forward to hearing how others feel.

    EDIT: CEPI I can imagine you're under a great deal of stress right now and your frustration is totally understandable. That said, let's try to keep things civil. It will be better for everyone that way. I'm sorry I can't help financially right now as I am knee-deep in student debt, but if it means anything I'm working to becoming a neurosurgeon precisely because my dream is to help families like Danielle and Matt return some normalcy in their lives. I'm only starting in IM, so I'm no good for you marketing-wise, but if you want to talk about the medical side of things or vent or whatever, feel free to PM.
     
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  4. evilclown

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    I guess you need to read it 50 more times. You miss everything. Good luck to you, now you have me thinking that this could be some sort of scam. Your reaction is just ... out of context. You say any way we can help, what a pray is not good enough?
     
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    I agree, edited my post. It's just surprising, especially as someone who has helped many others on this forum, I lost my temper and edited my response.
     
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    THIS IS THE MOST FUCKED UP PART ABOUT BHW, dont get me wrong, i love the community.

    Here you have a case of a user asking for real help, a real life trouble which actually involves the life of a person.

    A week ago, the user BigBuddy created a thread to help a 13yr old girl to go to a concert (or something similar). I believe pretty much everyone helped him out.

    1- I believe we all should help each other, I thought it was great everyone was helping on bigbuddys thread.
    2- Why the fuck this thread is getting such reactions? Just coz the user does not have enough stars?

    While I uderstand Bidbuddys action towards the forum have been of inmense greatness, Im sure bigger than OPs; I really do not enjoy seeing these kindda situations. I believe OP should get a hand...
     
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    I'm ok helping others, it what makes a community. And I'm deeply sorry this family have to go trough all this. Is not easy, the pain, the agony it's unbearable. But my point is, that now people will think this is a good method and start posting stories like this, this is the BHW forums. If we are going to call the action of the community let's make it something that can help not just one but many. How it's fair for the others that suffer as well? I know his intentions are the best, and when I said I will pray for I actually did and my intentions where and still the best. I personally dislike requests like this on channels like this one. I know OP has good reputation, but what hurt me and what strike me is he didn't ask for help before on other things but only when tragedy is close to him. If you want to judge me and call me names for speaking my mind so be it, read my words, in no moment I used curse words, or trashed the post I treat it with respect as a situation like this deserve.
     
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    I see where you are coming from, but I think if that were the case, then the trend would be caught onto very quickly. Besides, anyone who could use that just as a method is just sick. And I know some people do already, but those people can easily be separated from the genuine hearted. REAL passion is hard to fake.
     
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    Maybe in posts like this it is better to keep your personal opinions to yourself. And to me, this girl only looks like a kid compared to my age.
     
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    I can see where evilclown is coming from.

    It is a sad story, a friend of mine had an aneurysm so I do understand and wish you and your friends the best but at the same time why should we care about someone we don't know and have never met ?

    I understand these people are close to you and I don't mean to sound heartless but just as you "don't give a f*ck about hungry kids" why should we give a f*ck about people that mean nothing to us, this is important for you but why should it be important for others ?

    I realize you are going through an emotional time and don't wish to cause you any distress but you have to understand not everyone is able or willing to help. I am trying to be sensitive to you and I do believe in charity and helping others and although your post was fine I don't necessarily think this was the right place for it.

    Also there is a big difference in the Big Buddy post and this one, voting in a fb competition does not compare to this.

    This has been posted in the lounge so that is fine but it is also fine if people post their opposition to it.

    I am sure that those that can help will and I am sure that the whole community wish your friend a speedy recovery.

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    Edit: Just as OP had the right to make the post I believe evilclown had the right to post his objection. I wish the OP and his friends well but I also support evilclown's post because this is a community and it is OK to have differing views. I hope everybody understands.
     
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    I don't understand how people could be so heartless and write something on this post bashing it. If you don't want to help then that is fine. But ruining this guys post is just rediculous. I am not trying to point fingers at anyone but by reading posts on this forum daily you start to see who the genuine people are and the not so classy people. Good luck Op. I could post a few things on FB and other social media outlets for you if you would like. Just PM me what you want me to put on it and I will make it happen.
     
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    Guys, I understand the pushback on this but one major thing you are forgetting is that this is an unexpected event. You quote "post for hungry children and sexually abused"... well why would I? There are several 501(c)3 NPOs already establshed to do so. Darfur, RED, UNICEF, Children's Fund, Big Brother's and Sisters.. on and on and on..... So if you have some cause that I am not catering to with this post... go look it up and donate, that's great.

    This is geared toward a personal post. You want me to set up a non-profit, wait for the IRS to approve it and recognize it as exempt to accept donations, head up a PR firm to hire Madonna and U2 to do campaigns all so I can come back here and post about it?!? I mean, that's what it sounds like for some of you.

    You are more than welcome, and I also advocate donating and helping ALL causes that you can, but asking why I am not posting for them here... well that's pointless.

    I appreciate the positive feedback from you guys.
     
  13. jazzc

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    Post separated to new thread. Have fun :)
     
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    As this thread has been moved from the original thread, I think this is a debate worth having.

    Should charity threads be allowed ?
    As a community should we a have charity fund ? Members could vote on which charities to donate to etc.
    Should we have a members fund where those who have donated into it can receive help if down on their luck or require assistance ?
    Would a credit union work ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_union)

    What are peoples views on this ?

    The OP in the original thread is a long standing member and is concerned for his friend and the thread was started with good intentions. This is a great community and I am sure many people will help.

    My only concern is that within this community there will be scammers just like any large community and when they see the thread it may give them ideas. Again this is no reflection on the OP whose primary concern is of his friend's health but will the thread now encourage more people to post similar threads and how long will it take before a scammer takes advantage of this.

    I would like peoples thoughts and views on this but I feel the debate must be carried out sensibly without involving sentiment and allowing our emotions to run wild. So please post your views or should I just STFU ?
     
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    I think that now that this is its own thread a debate is fair. I would suggest having a system similar to the BST section, where the poster would have to demonstrate that the need/circumstances are true (perhaps by sharing further info with the mods if he/she does not wish it to be public). Perhaps some cutoff on account age or something might be appropriate, though I would say that the $30 posting fee would not really make sense in this situation.