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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/y...rge-anecdotal-evidence-supporting-it.1502800/ -----> check this out
sent you a pmGlad to hear that @YoutubeScientist. I can't PM ppl here on BHW, though, because my account is still "newbie".
Can you send me a PM, so that I can ask you, plz? Or is there any other way how I can contact you?
I really need to ask you 1-2 questions, because I don't understand that entire CMS/MCN stuff and there's very little info online about that. I will even pay you, if needed, bcuz I'm so tired of YT throttling my channel, so I'm looking for a solution and joining a CMS and getting my channel whitelisted seems to be the only solution for me at this point..
So I will just ask here:
Is getting my Channel ID whitelisted by a Music Label CMS (like Bensound, DeepSounds, etc.,) the same as getting my channel whitelisted by a MCN? I mean are there differences between "channel whitelisting"?
I thought about signing up for a paid subscription on DeepSounds, because they offer "channel whitelisting" as a feature for subscribers. You add your Channel ID, submit a request through your account on DeepSounds, and get approved after 5-10 minutes, so they say. And they have access to Content ID, too, so Ive been told. But I understand that the whitelisting refers only to protection against copyright claims, if I use their licensed music/sounds, right? And in this case the whitelisting wouldn't come with the benefits you mention in another post here on BHW about joinng a CMS, like no automatic flagging by the algorithm, no view throttling, human - manual reviews by YT, etc.? Is this correct?
I have been rejected by all MCNs out there (except "Freedom", it's still pending, but I expect them to reject my application, too). And since I need to have my channel added to a YouTube CMS somehow or to be whitelisted to get rid of my view cap + invalid traffic issue, I thought, these Music Label CMS could "whitelist" me with all its benefits, if I sign up for a paid subscription. So that I don't need to sign any deals with MCNs and lose a cut of my revenue.
I know it sounds confusing, but do you understand what I'm getting at? Are there different types of CMS and whitelistings?
Thank you, mate, but I have already used all of the information in the linked article/post, to no avail. There are simply no cases like mine and no one can help me.https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/yt-shadowban-algorithm-cycles-mega-thread-large-anecdotal-evidence-supporting-it.1502800/ -----> check this out
This is interesting... Care to chat?This is my personal experience based on 1000s of videos I've uploaded on multiple channels, I have no inside info. They do put artificial cap/limit to how many impressions/views you can get. This applies to both shorts and long form content. If you manage to get one of your videos to go viral and get a decent amount of watch time/subs that artificial ceiling goes up allowing your future uploads to get more views.
I'll give you an example: you're getting 20-30 views per video and one of your videos goes viral and eventually dies out, but now your'e getting at least 200-300 views per video, the same thing happens again and now you're getting 2-3k views per video.
When I started I was getting 0 browse/suggested impressions and very little traffic coming from search. Now every single of my videos are getting at least 20k impressions. 2-3k views per video seems to be the new normal and 100k-2kk views if one of my videos goes viral.
I think you can look at it as tiers and if you want to move from one tier to the next one you need some of your videos to go viral, and in order to do that you need exceptionally high CTR, AVD and high engagement.
With me or?This is interesting... Care to chat?
I've quoted kukuruziuz so naturally I want to speak with himWith me or?
Oh, I'm sorry I asked, snowflake.I've quoted kukuruziuz so naturally I want to speak with him
Snowflake why? I didn't attack you verbally or anything.Oh, I'm sorry I asked, snowflake.
Yea, I overreacted. Sorry for the "snowflake". Didn't mean it.Snowflake why? I didn't attack you verbally or anything.
Yes, some creators have reported experiencing a cap on their YouTube channel views per month. The time it takes to overcome this limitation varies widely; for some, it may take a few months of consistent content quality and audience engagement, while for others, it could take longer. Focus on optimizing your content, engaging with your audience, and following YouTube’s best practices to improve your chances of breaking free from any perceived view limitations.Hello,
I would like to know if any of you guys have experienced having views on your YT channel limited/capped at a specific viewcount per month. And how long it took you to get free from it.
To add some context to this really quickly: I run a middlesized, search-based software tutorial channel as part of my YT Automation business. I've been uploading long form tutorials consistently 2x/day for 5 months now. Without any breaks in my upload schedule. Sadly enough, I just can't break through the 70-72k views / 2600h watchtime mark per month - as seen in the graphs below.
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No matter what I do and how many of my videos get temporary pushes from search/browse/suggested, somehow the views get spread across the month, so that I always end up with 70-72k views/2600h watchtime per month.If newer videos get pushed, older ones drop in views simultaneously. And vice versa. And once the push is over, the older videos recover almost instantaneously.
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New content, that gets temporarily pushed by "browse features", replaces temporarily my top performing search-based videos (and vice versa). It's like my videos are replacing each other, instead of adding additional traffic. I've uploaded more than 300 videos since the day I started uploading daily. And the more videos get published, the more the overall viewcount per 48h gets spread across more videos. Now, instead of having a couple of videos with ~100 views per 48h, I have hundreds of videos ranging from 10 to 60 views per 48h. It may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it looks like the algorithm is trying hard to somehow spread these 70k views per month across more and more videos. Just to keep me stuck in this 70-72k views cap per month. It sounds crazy, but it's also really happening. And it's super frustrating & demotivating.
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And that has been going on from the moment I reached that 70-72k/views per month mark. Before that, up until that point everything had been going smoothly and views from YT Search had been growing steadily week after week and month after month. The moment my channel had reached 70-72k views / month though, it literally hit an unvisible ceiling.
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CTR & AVD are high (not worse than my competitors' videos), I didn't change anything in terms of topic, SEO or content quality. My audience loves my content and I barely receive any negative feedback. My channel has no penalties in work (according to YT Support "everything working as intended") and I have never done anything shady (reused content, spam, CPA, copyright strikes, controversial topics). Everything had been working just perfectly till I had reached that damn view cap. I've seen videos with top CTR (25-40%) & AVD (30-40%, which is above average for tutorials in my niche) and a high rank on YT Search literally DYING in terms of search & suggested impression out of a sudden - whenever I was about to breach that monthly view cap, for example when I was close to 70k views a few days before the end of the month. Impressions from YT Search for these videos dropped almost to zero with no explanation for the remaining days of the month, just to recover "miraculously" on 1st of the next month. Strange, isn't it? And cl0wns on r/partneredyutube keep telling me, "there is no such thing as a view cap, bruh", "make better content, bruh", "improve CTR & AVD, bruh". It's infuriating.
Bcuz it's not a quality issue. Up until reaching that monthly view limit, views had been growing steadily. So, SEO, quality, CTR, AVD, etc. were good enough to grow constantly, obviously. Also, I'm not a beginner in running YouTube channels & video making. I'm not looking for cheap excuses. I have put A LOT OF EFFORT into my tutorials, have adapted everything I could from my competition and usually aim for constant improvement. My niche competitors make exact the same type of videos (same quality, SEO, etc.), but have 4x/5x higher view caps per month and get 10x more views with the same videos I make. IT IS SO UNFAIR. I've been analyzing their history on Socialblade and all of them broke free from their view cap much sooner than me. After 2-4 months of consistent daily uploading their channels blew up out of a sudden - all of that with search based content. It's like the algorithm pulling a switch. For them. But not for me.
Long story short: I am becoming more and more worried about setting a new record on YT: getting stuck forever in this damn view cap. I have read YouTubeScientist's replies on BHW and know that he recommends creating new channels to bypass the view cap problem, but that can't be a solution for me, since all my competitors got free from that view cap without restarting their channels/focusing on other channels. Plus, search based tutorial channels need consistent daily uploads over a long period of time to grow, so I can't just take a break for weeks to "reset the algo", unfortunately. Also, there are no real "viral" topics either in this niche. Search based tutorial channels thrive on evergreen topics, anyway.
Any ideas/suggestions what to do? I have no other choice than to keep uploading, but how likely is it, that I am going to be stuck FOREVER in this view cap? Has anyone of you experienced a view cap like that? How long did it last for you and how did you get free from it? Do you know of any content creator, who has been affected by this longer than 5-6 months? I've been publishing daily and consistently for 5 months now - with exact the same, stagnating viewcount per month. So, I'm worried, frustrated and tbh also exhausted. But I can't afford to give up.
Sorry for the long post & thanks for reading.
First of all, thank you for your reply!Yes, some creators have reported experiencing a cap on their YouTube channel views per month. The time it takes to overcome this limitation varies widely; for some, it may take a few months of consistent content quality and audience engagement, while for others, it could take longer. Focus on optimizing your content, engaging with your audience, and following YouTube’s best practices to improve your chances of breaking free from any perceived view limitations.
Thank you for your comment, brother. I think it is too early to say it's a shadowban in your case. 12 videos uploaded is not enough data. Upload at least 100 videos for a month or two and make your decision then.I created a channel a month ago, and in that period I uploaded 12 videos, got 300 subs and 70k views, I am trying to assimilate why the last video I uploaded did not have the same growth as the last videos I have, I hope my problem is not Similar to yours, something I did the day I uploaded my last video is that I had to re-edit and re-upload my video many times due to a copyright problem, that's the only strange thing I did, if the next video I upload doesn't takes off like the others, I'll take this as a shadowban, I'll have to try another one, maybe now YouTube puts a certain limit on views for new channels, so I guess I should use an older channel to clear up my doubts
Do you know what your CTR was in September? 14.9% CTR seems kinda low. Videos that perform well for me typically have 20%+ CTR. I have a video with 41.6% CTR that's doig really well lately. Videos typically fall off overtime cause their CTRs and retention drops. There are obviously other variables like niche, length, etc. What I would try to do is to change the thumbnails for couple weeks and see if that changes anything or not.I may have found a possible explanation or cause for the view throttling on my channel. Maybe you guys could share your opinion on the following thought.
I have done some deep dive into my Analytics and what I have discovered is that impressions for views from YT Search (my channel's main source of traffic) started dropping/stagnating from 1st October 2023. Why is that day important? Well, due to desperation and laziness I started deleting and reuploading some low performing videos on that channel. Tbh I deleted quite a lot of them - like 60 within 2 weeks.
I didn't pay any attention back then to that, but now, 8 months later, you can clearly see how impressions for views from YT Search literally came to a halt in October, started dropping for the first time ever and have never recovered since then. Also worth noting: impressions had been growing steadily till end of September 2023, as seen in the graph below.
Now, you might say that may be coincidetial. It may be just a conicidence.
Though, I must say I experienced something similar on another channel back in 2021. One of my older channels started to perform significantly worse and hit an invisible ceiling in terms of views per month - shortly after I deleted and reuploaded some videos on it.
Assumption: My channel is definitely not hard-shadowbanned (it is getting views from browse & suggested; it appears on YT Search), but is it possible that it has been some sort of soft-shadowbanned / limited, its growth visibly throttled and its monthly viewcount limited due to alleged "spamming" (deleting & reuploading videos)?
How can this be overcome then? I fear my entire IP/Device/Adsense might have been flagged for "spamming", so the only solution I see is starting a completely new, isolated channel on a new device, gmail. phone number, new IP/internet connection, completely separated from my previous activity, right?
Please let me know, if any of you guys have experienced something similar and have been punished by the algorithm for deleting videos on your channel and how you solved it. That would be great.
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Thank you for your answer, mate.Do you know what your CTR was in September? 14.9% CTR seems kinda low. Videos that perform well for me typically have 20%+ CTR. I have a video with 41.6% CTR that's doig really well lately. Videos typically fall off overtime cause their CTRs and retention drops. There are obviously other variables like niche, length, etc. What I would try to do is to change the thumbnails for couple weeks and see if that changes anything or not.
YouTube often doesn't make sense. In theory if people click on your videos, watch them and engage with them your videos will be show to more people. The better these metrics are the more exposure your videos will get. It often doesn't work that way though.Thank you for your answer, mate.
Good question, though 14,9% is only the average CTR for YT Search on my channel. I have numerous videos, that go above CTR 20% and even 30% over a long period of time, and that have a similarly high view duration as my competitors' top performing videos (30%+, which is above average for how to videos in my niche). However none of these videos with top CTR/retention have gone "viral" in my niche - whereas my competitors videos have gone viral even with lower CTR/retention rates (I asked some of my competitors for comparison). Even they're saying something must be off with my channel. Some of my best videos in terms of CTR & retention just die in terms of impressions over night. I mean that's not normal for search based channels.
CTR & retention were no problem at all till my channel's viewcount got capped probably somewhere around October 2023.
glad that it seems to be working out for you.It's been 1.5 months since my last post here, so let me share some UPDATED INFO with you.
Good News: channel received slightly more views per month in May-July (~82k), and significantly more in August (92.5k), as seen in the graph below. Which shows that the artificial monthly view limit/cap can be overcome (after 8 months of consistent daily uploading in this case).
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Bad News: views from YouTube Search increased only a little in the time period May-August '24. It's views from external sources (mainly Google Search), that contributed to the significant increase in monthly views, in August especially (as seen in the graph below). Which is, unfortunately, not the primary traffic source of this channel (YT Search is). I have noticed several of my videos getting ranked high under niche-related keywords on Google lately. So, the conclusion is: Google Search and YT Search seem to be run by different algorithms.
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POSSIBLE SOLUTION: I have started outsourcing two more, new channels: one is being managed on the same device/IP as the "affected" channel above and one on a completely isolated, new device (new IP, new phone, new phone number, new gmail, different name, etc...). Both are in the same niche, have the same video quality, SEO, research, schedule, different/unique videos though ofc. And surprise, surprise: the former is stuck at the same view count (from YT Search) from day one with literally zero growth after 1.5 months. Whereas the latter has a growth rate of 240% in impressions & views and its videos are increasingly getting pushed by YT Search and Suggested. May be a coincidence, but I fear my entire device/IP has been flagged/downgraded after I deleted a bunch of videos on two of my channels all at once last year (see post above). So publishing videos on that affected device/IP is not going to get me anywhere and the only solution seems to be to diversify with more channels in isolated environments.
I will keep you updated.
@YoutubeScientist Thank you for your help. It may be too early to conclude, but it seems your strategy of running multiple isolated channels is the best solution, if your YT channels are shadowbanned/throttled. I know you deal a lot with posts and requests about shadowbanning. You can use my case as an example/study, if you like, and refer to it. I hope my case may be of help and guidance for other creators who are going through similar issues.
Yes. And as I promised you on TG - once my new, isolated channels join YPP and start earning, I will compensate you for your help. I'm a man of word and I haven't forgotten your support.glad that it seems to be working out for you.
as far as I've tested, this is the best method to diversify your channels without getting capped/throttled.