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Month and a half and zero results from PBN.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aadelmalik, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:18 AM.

  1. aadelmalik

    aadelmalik Regular Member

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    Between 4th December and 9th December, I have added 12 PBNs to my Money Site and it's been well over 40 days and I still haven't received any impact what so ever.

    Onpage SEO is also very good. 3,600 words on the homepage, additional 10 articles on the page including tons of pictures, videos, infographics, about us page and whatnot. Keyword Density is 1.5%. Everything is handwritten. Moneysite is 6 months old.

    The PBNs are with decent amount of power, average RD is 200, average TF is 19.
    Links on the PBNs are manually checked including their history. All are clean. Content is added every new week. PBNs are linking to other pages as well. PBNs were instantly indexed. I did wait 15 days or more before linking. Links were placed on the homepage from the same article.

    I have linked zero times with exact match, 5 times with partial match (all different kwds) and the rest were misc and brand.

    I have also used one PBN to link to a long term keyword (less than 100 searches).

    So far the website jumped from 200th place to 150th place 3 days after adding the first PBN on the EMA keyword. I think this jump was from the previous links I've build (which were outreach links (around 10 links) from real blogs - url and brand only anchors)

    Since then the site stayed at 150th place for the EMA and not even in the top 200 for the rest of the keywords. These past 2-3 days it's jumping from N?A to 150th place everyday.

    This is also for the German Google (google.de) if that makes any difference.

    Do I need to wait more? Seeing zero results like this is a bit depressing as I've invested well over $5,000 for this project.
     
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    This site is just few months old right? In fact how old it is?
     
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    Similar results with one of my SEO projects but its for a english niche. I spent $1.6k in "premium" domains with 50 - 150 RD each. Zero Zilch Zada in results. it's been over 8 months now and I have to renew my PBN hosting with GoPBN here in april. I paid for a years hosting upfront. Feels GREAT

    Feels good to blow money on useless shit. I'm half tempted to try and sell them off see if somebody else can use the other PBN domains I haven't touched/setup yet.
     
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    Strange because my scraped 100 RD domain has been serving me well - I'm in the G dance stage currently but I've seen positive and negative movements for quite a while. Harsh you can drop $5k with no ROI
     
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    its weird enough to only be at #150 with onpage alone, unless you're targetting an EXTREMELY difficult keyword, and if oyu are then 12 PBNs are not gonna make a difference at that point.

    If the keyword isn't extremely difficult then there's something wrong with your onpage/website because #150 with onpage alone on a not very difficult keyword is kinda bad
     
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  6. Nargil

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    I've experienced this with a few clients in the past. Great domains, well built, onsite SEO on money site was great too and simply nothing has happened in months. We were unable to pinpoint the exact reason no matter what. Nothing obvious came to mind. Sometimes, Google is a retard.

    Also, .DE Google might behave completely differently compared to .COM, always keep that in mind.
     
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    I think it is a waste of resources to use PBN if your page is ranked 150#, is PBN links the only type of link you built?
     
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    40 days isn't too early to see results, but how old is the site and is it a brand new domain or an aged one?
     
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    Its a strange one. Out of interest, what are the backlink profiles like for the top ten results for your main keyword? And what sort of sites are ranking - small niche sites or authority sites or what?

    Are you sure your on-page is good enough? Who wrote the content? Its all well and good that its longform but is it well written, is it well researched?

    And like Nargil said, have you built any other links to the site (Apart from the PBNs and the outreach stuff)? Maybe you just need some diversity as well, maybe some social media and maybe just some time.

    Perhaps it just sticks out as an anomoly to Google and thats why they are not ranking it - you know its still a relatively new site, relatively low number of links etc.
     
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    I’d think maybe the failure is keyword research? If you have picked the right niche / kw’s, just good on-page should get you to 4-5th page... then adding good PBN links and growing rankings from there. I’ve also experienced google random factor that some talk about.. two very identically done projects one ranks well, the other not.. go figure
     
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    Agreed. Most trackers don't even track after 10th page. I would give up on this keyword altogether. Do you have any idea how much it will cost getting to page 1 if you're stuck at #150 after all this? Is the keyword "best television set" or something?
     
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    Why the hell guys you think this works anymore.
    Oh I can't believe this.!!!
     
  13. aadelmalik

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    Alright so the domain is new (not expired) but I registered it in August, links started building in December so it’s a bit aged.

    Regarding the dificulty, yes it’s difficult but I was planing to spend even more but without seeing any results I don’t want to spend more.

    Regarding the competition:
    Second guy ranks with 5 random non related 301 redirects. 10th guy ranks with 2 random non related 301 redirects. And another guy ranks with only one random non related 301 redirect.

    I thought this method was dead but I’ll try it anyways on a new site.

    The site has a total of 25 links.

    One thing I’ve noticed is that Google updates the PBNs very slowly. A lot of the PBNs have indexed urls which don’t exist anymore and they still haven’t updated them. So let’s hope that it’s Google thats slow.

    I am not saying that PBNs are dead, a friend of mine is ranking 6th on a 300k buying keyword with 5 PBNs (while breaking tons of PBN rules) I’ll keep you guys updated on this.
     
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    They're not really aged. Google is stretching the new site time to market more and more (increases adwords sales).

    You'll see some results starting august 2018 when the site is 1 YO. The PBN also won't show results before 3 to 6 months.
     
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    Totally agreed, PBN's aren't dead, however there are great PBNs, average and toxic ones ( same as any seo really ).

    People think a handful of $1 one off payment links are going to do the business, from a PBN where the domains cost peanuts and are expired.

    Hopefully this is just Google running slow on this.
     
  16. davids355

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    So what age are all the other sites? I think you just need to give it time. Really your site is brand new.

    And also, like you said, if some of your pbns are not even re-crawled by google or your new content and links on them are not indexed then that’s going to be playing a big factor.

    If it was me I’d keep things looking natural and I’d be drip-feeding in links, social states etc - slow and low cost, for the next couple of months. Then re-assess.

    Keep building on the site as well, and think about the quality of content and the on-page as well, because as others said above, it feels a bit like maybe there are improvements to be made on site as well.
     
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    probably new algo huge update update is on the way like penguin panda . off page linking going strict day by day
     
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    If you are not getting results from a site, just abandon it. Make a new one, start fresh and the results will be different.
     
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  19. aadelmalik

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    Regarding the site not appearing on the SERP without any links, I am not sure if this is normal but I've had 4-5 projects so far and it's always been the same. Every site is NA at the begining, no matter how I make my onpage structure. Not sure if this is because my tracker doesn't track above 200 but it's always been like that.

    What I love about SEO is that I can just leave this as it is and see if anything improves the next months.

    Well the PBNs are since December, the money site is since August.
    The PBNs are re-crawled and they are indexed (they got indexed pretty quickly actually, like in less than a day)
    The only difference is that they are not updating on the SERP, the homepage yes, but some innerpages are indexed and they don't exist.
     
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