User: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/1353-moneymanzzz.html i first contacted "moneymanzzz" when he posted a thread about a sms method he had and was looking for partners to JV with. the thread was deleted shortly after by his own request saying he had found enough partners (or i would post the URL here). however by this time i had made contact with him on skype and started talking with him and all seemed fine. although it took a while, he finally told me that i would need to send his "programmer" (not sure if this guy really exists, but he goes by R Programmer or RP) $2,000 USD and i would need to purchase at least one server, data lists, etc. he said he is good friends with Vito from ******* and that's the network we'd be running the offer(s) on. he said Vito would set up an account for me and all profits would be split 50/50 between me and moneymanzzz. i wanted to send his programmer a wire right away but he said a wire would take too long to clear the programmer's bank, and the only other option was Western Union so i went with that. i was never able to send the $2,000 to his programmer because the guy was either never around or he wasn't able to accept WU payments for various reasons. i was given a number of excuses, and off the top of my head i was given FIVE different WU receiver details. by this point i'm starting to have some doubts so i ask both moneymanzzz and the programmer to send me screen shots of the software and/or teamview. both either refused or flat out ignored me each time i would bring it up. so then i contacted Vito from ******* to see what he had to say about moneymanzzz. i was fixing to call off the whole thing UNTIL Vito vouched for him. once Vito vouched for him i thought for sure this guy was legit and just having temporary problems, so i gave him the benefit of the doubt. anyway, i decide to go through with it but his programmer is still having trouble accepting the WU payment. moneymanzzz had previously told me he would accept the payment as courtesy and send it to his programmer. since i was having so much trouble getting payment to this programmer guy i decided to take him up on his offer. so i send moneymanzzz the $2000 via WU. he claims he sent the money to his programmer and the next step would be getting the programmer to install the software on my server. so now i am actively trying to get the programmer to install the software, but he is either never around, too busy, or "confused." i have been ignored by both the programmer and moneymanzzz throughout this whole ordeal. they would hit me up, and then generally stop responding instantly or as soon as i brought up something they didn't want to respond to. i've asked for a refund and all i have been getting is the run around or being ignored. i have given this guy the benefit of the doubt way too many times (check the logs). i cannot and will not wait any longer, nor continue to be ignored or strung along. Conversation with moneymanzzz aka 'mr manz': http://www.pastebin.com/fAaMHsxp Conversation with R Programmer: http://www.pastebin.com/wbpCaZM9 Conversation with Vito: http://www.pastebin.com/JSks4Z5U Group chat with moneymanzzz and R Programmer: http://www.pastebin.com/KVCe63wR to this day moneymanzzz is still ranting how he is willing to refund my money and will do it ASAP, but he never does. draw your own conclusions from the chat logs and let's see if this guy really has no problem refunding my money or if he's really just another bhw member turned scammer as i have no choice but to conclude at this point. if anyone has any questions or needs any further proof (whether it be screen shots, clarification, etc.)...do not hesitate to ask, i have it all.