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Money To Be Made on Youtube - Part 2

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by cool0403, May 19, 2012.

  1. cool0403

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    Whats up everybody , well I was actually going to include the content of part 2 in a much latter version but due to the threads that have been popping lately on BHW I see no choice than to try to explain some basics around the content discussed in part 2.Hopefully, I would be able to get the attention of some intelligence being out there that know their shit on the Youtube game in the field of top rated comments , so I can try to network and associate with them since right now as standing BHW has gone very downhill for the knowledge of top rated comments(aka top rated comments).And this knowledge remains hidden from the masses as well as some potential players that could really impact the game if they knew better, but after all is for a reason.

    Now I know most of the Youtube BHW section is filled with tons of threads of the following: buying views, where to buy views, help Youtube banned my accounts,questions about bots, and more questions .It seems that you hardly see any tuts, guides or any actually threads that help in offering any guidance as what to do or where to start, and don't even get me started on those people starting their threads in the money making section of this forum that actually belong to Youtube section .Enough ranting!

    Alright so as you all know, top rated comments is pretty much the most profitable thing you can do in Youtube there is no doubt about that. Needless to say, is also the most difficult to do and maintain and the ones that has the less information going around as well as false facts related to how you should go about doing it.

    WARNING:Before you start reading this whole wall of text, if you want to get into top rated comments then am going to tell you straight up that your success will come roughly from 10% a bot, and 90% testing the server algorithm. What I mean is that unless you have patience, lots of proxies(you need new ones every time as they become flagged/blacklisted),lots of accounts and not the least TIME to do TESTING, then you will always get stuck in the middle or not be able to understand the algorithm Youtube has in place for top rated comments. So if you don't have any plans of putting time, resources, and do all the testing then I suggest you quit as this is pretty much the Big Boys playground.


    Before I go over a couple of methods, am going to dedicate the thread to debunking myths and establishing reality checks that i have gathered through research,hard work, and a little bit of luck and not the least from conversating with people that are very well into top rated comments, and eat that shit and sleep on it 24/7(well at least they are better than most here)

    Note:I decided to make Part 3 the methods section of top rated comments since this Part already got too big, wait for the next Part that should be coming soon!

    Part 2


    top rated comments(Top Rated Comments)



    Myths


    Myth #1: There is no working bot

    This is probably the funniest one of all, that's why am going to address it first. The true reality is that, Youtube hasn't really
    changed much in the programming aspect of rating and commenting for a programmer not to be able to program it(if anything).
    The reason why there isn't any public bots out there is simply cause BHW is full of people that don't understand when in some posts they are told that the problem pertaining top rated comments is in fact server side, yet they still seek a working top rated comments bot thinking that's all they need and in fact just gives more headache to those willing to release a free public bot when they are told their bot doesn't work.So if you can get over the fact that you don't need a special bot to do top rated comments, and that just about any okay programmer can whIP out one with some basic programming skills(of course they must use http requests, not browser) then you are already way ahead most people here who still are waiting for that magic bot to appear.Not forgetting , the TESTING and RESOURCES(as in constant fresh supply of fresh accounts and IPs) is where the real work is at.​


    Myth #2: Non-PVA's don't work as good as PVA's


    Now I personally have used PVA's only once in my whole time, reason being is simple. I don't trust any providers here to provide me with supposedly high quality PVA's, I like to keep all of my house Youtube operations under control that includes taking care of the account creation.However, I have tested literally thousands of Non-PVA's that I have created and few that I bought a couple of times and I can tell you the actual difference was huge between all the batches of different Non-PVA's , some lasted a week, majority a few days before getting sms, and ultimately I refined my account creation process to make some that lasts months and don't get banned within 2-7 days without touching them.

    So the whole myth of PVA's of being better than Non-PVA's is simply not true , however for Non-PVA's to be good
    they need to be created by some good tricks out there that people don't put into any public account creator and good IPs.
    So in reality, a shitties Non-PVA's will actually get sms within 2-3 days or sometimes within 24 hours and/or will get
    banned without touching them(no logging into them), while PVA's can't get sms they are not immune to banning and
    can get banned pretty easily(just like Non-PVA's) and mass banned if you link multiple accounts to one number when verifying.
    So in conclusion , Non-PVA's aren't better or worst than PVA's(it all depends how they are created). IF you don't believe me
    I would love to hear your criticism and some actual tests to prove it( I have my worthy Non-PVA's to debunk this myth if you want to bring it on against your PVA's ). Needless to say, the IPs used to create the accounts as well as the EMAILS, plus the methods used to
    bypass sms(if they're Non-PVA's) and tricks goes a long way in giving your accounts a healthy long lasting life.​


    Myth #3: You can rate any comment to the top


    It cease to amaze me how many people believe this , when they go and open a new thread asking people if you can rate any comment to the top without putting any effort in actually trying to test it yourself if its true or not. The actually facts is that you CANNOT rate any comment to the top. Comments that are too old won't go to the top, so if any comment is on page 10 and beyond it will not go to the top no matter if you give it votes. Also another thing to notice, once a comment is flagged as spam and you try to unflag it with some other accounts, well I guess I shouldn't really tell you the outcome would be, since it should be pretty obvious.



    Myth #4: Using more than 1 account on 1 IP will not get the comment to the top


    Actually, from my research and testing I can tell you this is pretty much not 100% true but definitely around 60-90% true. Thing is, some times some comments can actually get to the top if you use one IP with multiple accounts, most of the time however this stops working after a while. I believe it has to do with the activity of the video itself, how active it is,how long since uploaded etc. However, doing this on a lot of ratings will definitely result in your IP being blacklisted/flagged so If I was you to avoid any headaches I would try to stick to 1 IP per account so you can figure out how to get past the Youtube server algorithm when you notice your comments not going to the top. I for one haven't been able to determine what exactly make this 1 IP multiple accounts trick work sometimes and not work most of the times. But like I said, the top rated comments game is all about TESTING in a control environment so you can isolate your variables in order to come out with facts that would debunk any myths out there.


    Reality Checks


    Reality Check #1: You need a lot of accounts.Of all kinds!


    The truth of the matter is that you will actually need a lot of accounts to get in the top rated comments. Why you might ask? Well first of all , Youtube actually cares a lot of the account type you are using and how it was made.I haven't tested PVA's but I have tested a lot of different types of Non-PVA's created with different methods, emails, and tricks of account creation.All the times I got different results. So in order to actually be successful in the top rated comments game you will actually need to have a nice budget allocated to be able to have accounts to do pretty much either commenting and/or rating. The best way to actually approach top rated comments is to actually try to isolate your commenting accounts away from your rating accounts. IF you try to mix your accounts and start using them for rating and commenting, you will not get far if you start to scale up. What happens is that, once an account gets used it has like some limited use before it begins to get noticed by Youtube as a bot account. Meaning, the more you use an account for rating the more likely it is to get flagged and actually cause harm to you instead of helping you.

    Same can be said for commenting , as you start to use your account more for commenting , you will start to notice that a unnatural number of comments are getting marked as spam very quickly. Youtube isn't stupid, they can tell when an account is being used for spamming purposes. So as soon as you start to notice your comments getting marked as spam, stop using that account for a few days to a week(I have actually found this helps recover the account back to normal if you let it collect dust for a while) and use another account, if you can use another IP too.

    Its also good to notice that there is literally an exact amount of bad ratings and good ratings that will cause a comment to go to the top.
    A bad rating is described by a rating done by a flagged/blacklisted account with or without a flagged IP as well,while a good rating is a rating done by a non-flagged/non-blacklisted account and clean ip.

    For example, if you need 10 likes to rate a comment to the top. Then there is actually a science behind as to whats the threshold of bad ratings a comment can have to allow it to go to the top spot. So if you are really into the top rated comments, you should test that out. I have played with that for a little bit, but haven't found the exact ratio for all videos but I will say is around 10-20% bad ratings threshold for some videos that I tested, any more ratings added to the comment than that and it will most likely result in your comment not going to the top.​


    Reality Check #2: Get fresh proxies, lots of them, and get a constant source of new proxies


    This and having access to a lot of accounts is vital to succeed in this game(of course ,common sense would be to clear your cookies before each login). In order to actually be able to do proper testing and be able to get comments to the top, you need to know where your proxies come from and if they have been used to spam Youtube or are blacklisted in any spamhaus type site(Youtube can blacklist your IP without you knowing too). A lot of people recommend to use HideMyAss as a vpn for Youtube, and I can tell you that its pretty much a 50/50 chance that they will work. Keep in mind a lot of those IPs are blacklisted so you might be able to succeed if you literally throttle through their IPs to find out which ones are the bad IPs or good ones. You can find out the good IPs from the bad IPs by knowing which ones are the good IPs.


    So in other words, most good IPs would likely be pretty much private proxies that are expensive as less people have access to them. You can never be 100% sure which ones are good IPs but 95-99% if the IPs are private and expensive they are most likely good to use for Youtube. Now if you are going to go with a public VPM, like HideMyAss, you can still get your bang for your buck if you actually test out the threshold of bad ratings vs good ratings by using HideMyAss IPs against your good IPs(expensive private proxies) to find out which IPs from HideMyAss are actually good.

    One thing to keep in mind is that your IPs will get blacklisted and/or flagged in the process of using them. So one day they can be working fine and getting all of your comments to the top making you feel like a boss, then the next day you could be facing every major
    wall and making you feel like a loser because your IPs are flagged/blacklisted. Just remember, Youtube isn't god they can only track you by IPs, cookies, flash cookies(if you use a browser) and on some occasions by the comments you post, which will bring me to my next Reality.


    Reality Check #3: Youtube flags comments by phrases not by specific words


    This one is quite interesting, what I have found out is that Youtube uses a sort of actual algorithm that analyzes your comment based on actual phrases and not words alone. So for example a lot of people are saying that the word "free" will get your comment flagged but this will only hold true if you were to use phrases that Youtube actually considered spam when the word "free" is in the comment, I have been able to successfully post a comment with the word "free" with out using any other words that will trigger Youtube anti-spam mechanism when the word "free" is around.Having said that, it is possible in my opinion to actually use symbols as sort of a buffer inside the comment to make it harder for Youtube to read your comment in order to analyze it if its spam or not.

    For Example: Lets go back to that wonderful mother's day that just happened recently, if we were to advertise our website or link in a comment and make it sleek so we can avoid Youtube anti-spam algorithm, then the best way would be to actually build up comments
    that pretty much are spinned(if you can spinned them by sentences instead of by words), say the same message but have different symbols in them between words.



    "Hey guys please visit my site ⌦ ⒽⓐⓟⓟⓨⓂⓞⓣⓗⓔⓡⓢⒹⓐⓨ.Ⓒⓞⓜ ⌫ for mother's day gift idea" ----> You can put the whole url in unicode characters that are still readable, this for sure will get past Youtube anti-spam url posting shit they have going on.

    "Hey guys please visit my site →happymothersday.Ⓒⓞⓜ← for mother's day gift idea" ----> you can mask the TLD only if you want to be able to post your link.

    "Hey guys please visit my site ⌘ happymothersday⌬com ▍" -----> Be creative use a symbol to replace '.' , but make it still readable.


    "Hey guys please visit my site ▍happymothersday.com▍ for mother's day gift idea" ----> Using this type of unicode for a url actually has a very cool perk, the user can actually copy and paste the url from the comment itself and will work when put in the url bar.



    Those are just some basic examples,and you can expand into it by spinning your comments in sentences or by simply using synonyms, the point is to make your comments so different in the eyes of Youtube that they will not get labeled as spam when you start out your little bot to spam away. Make sure you still make your comments readable though, and you can use literally the whole unicode library to place random symbols around phrases or words in order to fool Youtube into thinking your comment is unique. Remember, if you only use words your only making it easier for Youtube to analyze your comments based on the words structure of your comments so start using unicode to start breaking your comments into tiny little pieces it will make Youtube's life harder in cleaning up the spam.Also, one last thing to keep in mind is that if you start using the same unicode a lot Youtube will actually mark it as spam just like a regular comment, so that is why is so important to actually use the whole fucking unicode library to make each comment as unique as possible.

    Needless to say, if you are still using that "\" on the urls to post your links, then you are pretty much outdated in the whole top rated comments game as that's not really how the pros do their comments. IF you actually take your time to search on Youtube and see who is your competition, you will see the top guys use unicode because its efficient. You can actually create a fuckload of comments , spinned with symbols in between words and the link/url to make your comments look unique , while still retaining the same message.Don't think for a sec that you can spam the same comment from different accounts with different IPs and get past the Youtube spamming system, the actual reality is that if you were to post across different accounts say one of the comments I put as examples above, your comment will actually get flagged quickly . That is, all comments posted are literally counted as spam if the same comments are being posted by another Youtube user very quickly like within minutes or seconds(or just being posted numerous times), even if the IP is thousands of miles away from the original Youtube user that posted the first comment, the comment will get labeled as spam very quickly if posted very quickly or numerous times.​

    Trust me, I' ve tried this countless of times. I thought comments were marked as spam only if it came from the same user and/or IP not just any other Youtube account.


    So if you want to take it a step further, let your creative side get loose and start playing with the unicode database to create unique comments with buffer symbols in between words, don't forget though that if you only start using the same symbols your competition would be able to sniff your comments out by doing a google search on the symbols you use, so use a lot of them cause this trick is a double edge sword.​


    Reality Check #4: Flagged comments come in 2 flavors!


    Whenever you post a comment and gets flagged its because of usually 2 reasons.
    Its not that hard actually to tell why your comment was flagged, all you really have to do is monitor a comment to see when it gets flagged.As some people might know by know, a comment can be flagged by the users(or competition) or by Youtube itself. In order to identify which one of the two fuckers was the reason for getting your comment flagged, you must actually watch whether your comment gets marked as spam instantly meaning within like 1-2 mins(usually its as soon as you posted) or if its after 1 or 2 mins.
    This is a good technique to use, to test out the comments that are being flagged as spam before doing a massive run only to find out that all of your comments were marked as spam, remember don't scale shit cause you will only get shit. Test your comments frequently to see if they are still getting through the Youtube spam system.You can use a commonly known comments that are known to be spam such as "visit my channel" to make unique temporary FUD(fully undetected) comments that would get through the anti spam system . Oh and for the love of god, don't use bit.ly it gives it away that you are pretty much spamming.


    Conclusion: If you notice your comment getting flagged as soon as you post it, then its 95-99% sure its Youtube flagging your comment down, but if you post your comment and see it as non-flag and come back later on only to find out that your comment has been flagged then that should be a good sign that either users flagged your comment or you have someone on your ass trying to take your spot if the latter is true then you better hold it down cause these blackhatters,spammers how ever you want to call them ain't playing around (usually check within 15-20 mins depending on how busy the video is, some times your comment will remain unflagged for hours, days etc)

    Note:depending on how popular is the video and how many views is getting, it can be hard to tell if your comment was flagged by Youtube or by the users because of how fast users might be able to flag a comment down in a very popular video that has a lot viewers watching it.



    Reality Check #5: Make sure you are submitting all the POST data right and change your User-Agent!



    Back then when Youtube was pretty much anybodies game and you could make a shitty bot that didn't really submit all the proper POST data that a normal browser would do, you could pretty much have gotten away with missing POST variables that you forgot to submit when doing a rating, commenting etc(if your bot is programmed in http requests). Now a days if you are missing important post variables like 'Data-tag' and 'Data-score' on your rating function then you will most likely see your rating fail. Like for example the Data-score is the variable that keeps track of the amount of ratings a comment has, so your bot needs to be able to submit in the POST for the rating the correct 'Data-score' or your rating will most likely not work.

    This wasn't always the case, before those major updates you could pretty much do a rating without really submitting those variables as they were not required before, not its a whole different world and pretty much your rating has to look as much as how the browser does them. Just like when you post a comment, before you didn't need to submit those extra variables in your POST to be able to do the comment. Like, that variable "len" that is basically equal to the amount of characters your comment has that you need to submit it in your POST when making the comment, with a 500 character limit on any comment done by the normal comment system. If you use the mobile commenting system then your comment will be a lot shorter , but I've had that mobile commenting system work a lot better sometimes at getting by the spam system(one thing to look out for and test in the future).

    User-Agent actually do have a role in Youtube top rated comments algorithm, see Youtube is fucking picky as hell. They literally do watch out for everything to try to fight spam. I have actually done some tests where I submitted various ratings to a comment from different accounts, all of them in 1:1 account to IP ratio_Only to actually find out that my comment didn't go to the top, because all of the accounts I used were using the same user-agent. I am not saying to use a unique User-Agent for every single account, but don't try to use the same User-Agent on like 10-20 accounts that you use to rate a comment, cause chances are it will make your comment not go to the top. Sometimes this actually doesn't hold true, but in the majority of cases when I have tested this 1 user agent test, I've actually found out that most of the times the comment didn't go to the top.​



    Reality Check #6: Ghosts do exist on Youtube!


    Well, not real ghosts but Youtube Ghosting . This is a well known fact, but for those of you that still don't know what Ghosting is or how does it happen. Ghosting is when you are basically in a way talking to yourself, you can see your own comments and everything you comment looks normal but when you view it from another IP all of the sudden you can't either see your comment, its labeled as spam, or is simply not on the top comments like you were seeing it while logged in or in your ip.

    There are actually 2 types of Ghosting , I like to call them the 'IP Ghosting ' and the 'Account Ghosting ' . Basically the 'IP Ghosting ' is when you cannot see that you are being Ghosted from your ip, and you actually need to view your comment from another IP to see if you are actually Ghosted or not, this one is the worst and harder to detect. The 'Account Ghosting ' is actually not hard to detect , you just need to log off and you can see pretty much the opposite that you see while you are logged in. With 'Account Ghosting ' you don't need to go through the trouble to get another IP to see if you are ghosted. Although, it is recommended to view your comments in another IP just so you can see if you are Ghosted or not.

    As to what causes the Ghosting , well I don't have the specifics to that yet but I can basically tell you is more towards the quality of the IP itself then depending on how many accounts you used with that IP that were softblocked or blacklisted can add to the Ghosting as well.The comments you post will also add to the Ghosting effect. However, it is still unknown to me how to get out of the Ghosting effect besides cleaning your cookies and switching IPs and accounts. But I will definitely try to find out how to get an IP out from the 'IP Ghosting ' after I do some more tests, which will take some time to get some good conclusions.

    Just as you might have discovered, when your ghosted you actually never even see any of your comments labeled as spam so its hard to know when you are ghosted. You usually get suspicious when you don't get the traffic that you have expected, so always check twice from another IP that you haven't used to spam Youtube for your comments to see if everyone else can see them.





    Again if you guys have any questions that you don't want to post here in public, you guys can hit me up or just post your reviews, comments here on this thread. I hope we can spark some interesting conversations and see if there are any intelligent beings out there who is still in the game!​
     
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  2. the known

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    holy crap man. You put a lot of work into this!! That's the kind of people we wanna see around here! Thanks for making this, helps a lot.
     
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    Great job my friend! A lot of good stuff. Can you tell us more how you are creating the accounts?
     
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    part 2? awesome always good to see tips given in detail
     
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    One of the best posts lately, thanks and rep given :)
     
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    Wow, how more parts are going to follow? I have to say you are a very HQ member. I will put everything in a Word file and take a seat to read every piece of it. Thanks for the awesome share!
     
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    Thanks guys, and like always am open to any type of criticism, as one of the reasons I opened this thread was to pretty much get an interesting thread around top rated comments. Ofcourse the best info won't really be posted public but shared privately, either by pms, skype or aim. That is why in my opinions is important to get to know your competitors/peers in this youtube commenting rating game, to be successful. Youtube videos aren't really spammed much and the traffic left on the table is pretty much almost all of it . Platforms like Facebook, Twitter and CL are even more spammed than Youtube itself and yet in my opinion they all have the same potential of earnings.

    Like always, all these info in this thread is based on my findings, research, conversating with others on the subject. This is pretty much the tip of the iceberg, and there is a lot more to find especially when it comes to the accurate measurements for getting a comment to the top, knowing the limits of an account activity of comments and likes it can do, figuring out how to get out of the blacklist/flag ip(account too) and account and knowing what are the exact causes of this, etc.

    Pretty much, to find more about youtube algorithm there will be a need for heavy Research and Development, which not a lot of people can afford or do right. But hey the rewards are literally huge for those that can get pass the youtube anti-spam algorithm and get ahead of the crowd.

    So like I said before, this is pretty much the Big Boys Playground.








    Well, what can I say when I am really passionate about something and want to get it out there. I tend to get ocd about it and try to make it as neat, jam packed, and colorful as possible lol. Thanks man I appreciated,If i remember correctly I think you were that guy on skype that I gave like 5 of my old yt accounts from last year batch so you could use them to test out the likes in youtube, because you had problems doing likes from your bot but not from your browser.


    Well all i can say is test out differnt emails and ips, once you find something that work. Don't tell anyone , thats one of the biggest secrets in youtube, the account creation. You will never see these methods released in any youtube account creator. As they are very easy to spot when they are on an account creator and the trick itself is worth more than the account creator. Thats why the very vest accounts are those created by someone who has his own account creator with his own tricks, such as adwords trick etc(there are more out there I believe)

    Yea man is the adderall that makes me go into detail, to make sure I don't leave any details out so people can understand them. I try not to put any recommendations for software,hosting,ips etc as I don't want to look like am promoting them in any way or that am affiliated with them. IF i ever release any youtube bots, ofcourse I will try to mention it on my posts but not really anyone's else

    So my threads are basically just going to straight to the point.


    Thanks man, I am glad you liked it. I did spend hours typing everything up making sure I covered most points. I am just trying to bring the youtube bhw forum back to atleast some decent standards. If not then I would be delighted to actual meet people who are still in the youtube game who browse bhw but don't post much but have tips,knowledge, resources(like some kind of special trick,hosting, accts etc) to share or jv with.

    Thats actually my ulterior motive, to get my youtube circle bigger with more quality people. The only Rep that matter to me is the rep you keep in your brain in a mental note saying thats the go to guy. That rep goes a long way! more than bhw rep lol.


    I am thinking of doing either a trilogy(3 parts) or extending it to 4-6. As you can tell I try to jam pack my Parts with lots of goodies in them. So it will be pretty hard to do a lot of series without dropping the quality of the threads , which in my opinion is matters to me more than adding a new lower quality Part to the series.

    But its funny that you mention about me being a HQ member, i think like last year I was that -2 to -11 rep guy on the forum. Its hilarious how people thought I didn't know shit or I was dumbed, sketch etc cause I was in the negative rep. I was reference a lot to a LQ member and was addressed many times with remarks like "nobody asked for your opinion negative rep guy".

    Lesson learned, the contacts on your skype and aim taught me more than people on bhw. Not that bhw hasn't taught me anything, but you can't usually talk about a lot of this stuff or tricks,good methods etc in public. That is why when you start gaining contacts through bhw and you keep a close contact with them , you will learn literally 10 times more than what you read here.Nonetheless, if you actually do research on youtube and learn to spot niches, competitors you will learn so much about youtube and how to promote shit is ridiculous once you start to realize all the ideas that are running through your head about making money on youtube and how to automate them, or setup a system.
     
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    great info there, cool0403 . I don´t normally use comment voting in bulk , but I like to use it on my own videos.
    The other day I made a test: I sent 15 votes from 15 differents account but from the same Ip. The comment went to top and the 15 votes stayed there.
    A couple of days ago I tried the same thing. Comment went to top as well, but after a few hours votes disappeared. Why?

    The strange thing about top comment is what works one day, does not work the day after...
     
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    Thing is what I still find it kind of strange is that for example if you were to rank a comment on a video on "lose weight" niche , then ranking will be fairly easy as they usually require around 4-8 ratings to get on top and they can be there for days , even weeks.

    The problem comes when you try to rank a comment again on that kind of video, is actually a lot harder than ranking a comment in a highly viewed videos(usually those music videos that have million of views). One reason might be that, you cannot really rank the same type of comment(or if it looks a lot like the last one) in the same video, that wasn't a problem not that long ago probably like 6-8 months ago. But recently you really can't rank it a second time or third time and so on.

    The only way i found around that is used a new set of account, and rank a new comment insert some symbols and use different ips with different account to rate the comment to the top. I ve been finding out that you really have to rotate your accounts at who takes the top spot, if you use the same accounts they will get blacklisted or flagged.

    Before you could literally put 1 account on 10 top rated videos like nothing, by just ranking it to the top with rating accounts. Now I find it that you should stick to around 3-4 at most , more than those then it will be a risk to the account and the comment.
     
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    Wow!
    I want to give a try to YT and I think this info will help me a lot! Really thanks dude!
     
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    Thanks and rep given my friend. Your last post was also great. I subscribed and saved both for future references. Also how long did it take to post such long posts lol?
     
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    Well I think it took me around 7 and half hours,I had to double verify some things which took some time just so i wasn't putting something that i wasn't sure about.

    But I had pretty much notes from long time ago that I used to do part 1 and part 2, and that i will use for part 3. Pretty much most of the stuff from part 1 and part 2 I kinda already knew.

    But afterall I was on adderall so i pretty much do a whole weeks of work in 1 adderall session than the whole week. I wouldn't have been able to write somthing like this sober lol, it would have been a pain.
     
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    Very nice tutorial!
     
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    WOW it's so detail!
     
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    Great guide , it seems like you've put a lot of effort into it, but I just want to throw my two cents in. I've done a lot of "top commenting" and I disagree with a few of the points that you made (unless YouTube has drastically changed it's spam strategies in the last month).


    So the first thing I wanted to say was about the account quality. I have used 15 gmail accounts all set up from the same ip and verified by the same phone number and never had problems. I've also never had trouble with the spam filters. While yes , they will flag you if you have written some key phrases , after clicking "this is not spam" I've always been able to get my comment to the top. Also I ALWAYS use only 1 ip, and have no problems whatsoever.

    How are you testing these different ideas ?
     
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    Well I would love to definitely try it out. However, your talking from 15 gmail accounts all set up under 1 ip. Did you try any music videos like vevo, and also how long have you been doing this. Anybody can do comment rating at the beginning and use 1 ip to rate their comments to the top starting out. Its the progressive use of the ips and accounts that deteriates them, thats why i said you will encounter ghosting.

    If you want rate a comment to the top, and then you can try your "this is not spam" after its marked as spam and see if you can keep this behaviour going on the same ip then am more than happy to start right now. I can guarantee you, you do this several times you will burn your ip.

    The problem is not at the beginning is after you continue using your ips and accounts that you encounter ghosting. Nobody has hardly any problems when they start doing comment rating, hence they continue with the same behaviour. IT gets worst when they try to ramp it up and scale it up and they continue with the same technique that its ultimately slowly killing their ips and accounts.

    What am trying to say is that each account and ip has like an invisible health bar that you cannot truly see. When you start out everything works fine, you don't have any problems etc. But if you aren't really doing atleast 100 top rated comments a day with those 15 gmail accounts then you can't truly say gmail based accounts don't fall under this category as I have definetely seen gmail based accounts get badly ghosted too from too much use, although they might have a lil bit more resistance than traditional accounts.

    So if you want to test that out and show you what i mean , hit me up on skype and we can do this on the spot right now.
     
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    Also the way I have tested my 'ideas' is by actually flagging myself to test the strength of the accounts and how many flags it takes for an account before it starts to get flagged.

    Now by stating never your saying that your gmail accounts are immune to the filter which i don't believe. It is because you are not doing enough volume with your 15 gmail accounts to get flagged, I do wish to test out your supposely never theory and your comments going to the top after marking them "this is not spam".

    I haven't used as that many PVA's but i have had people say that a lof them they get flagged just as bad as Non-PVA's so am truly curious to test out as to why your supposely gmail based accounts never have a problem, which again I believe is the volume your doing is not enough and/or something else I haven't seen.

    For anyone else that has PVA's to throw to test, I would give be honor to test out that theory if someone else has 15 gmail PVA's that are verified through the same number and are used with the same ip.
     
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    man i love your threads 1 thing the usin the unicode to comment u mention it on yr thread i use it too it works good but now it s gonna get hammered quick but again we here to share tnx a lot for this very valuable information about creatin the accounts i do it manually i find it the best way to do it and my accounts last very long ( i have dynamic ip and i use pinger ) tnx again thats the type of threads we need here not thread like {im 14|15|16|girl|homeless|...} :D
     
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    OH good.. I havent seen a completed tutorial like this for a long time. Thank you for all the work what you have invested in it
     
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    Finally!!

    Someone who at least knows the intricate nature of trying to leave a comment or even upvote a comment on a mass scale!

    Thanks for Schooling the newbies!