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Message To Newbies From The Fingers Of Frank Kern

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by OTrap, Oct 5, 2010.

  1. OTrap

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    Hey, this was a nice little post Frank put up on his blog, and it can serve as GREAT advice for anyone who is looking for the magic pill, silver bullet, or Internet marketing genie bottle.

    http://frankkern.com/?p=31

    Enjoy.
     
  2. Longover

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    I didn't pay much attention to Frank kern until reading that post you just referenced.

    I didn't know that he was such a good writer, which is a probably a reason why he is so successful. The ideas in the post are also solid.

    Thanks for the share. I wouldn't have paid to much attention had you now shared it.
     
  3. Megalomaniac Midget

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    franky fraud only started making money online by selling magic bullets to newbies. Check out his first "product", lol

    But, i do love his writing style
     
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  4. OTrap

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    Oh, I know, MM. Most of those guys started out that way, and are only now getting to the point where they are trying to put out quality.

    However, the reputation is pretty much shot, regardless of how much several of them are trying to clean up their act.

    An example of this would be Mike Filsaime:

    http://marketingdotcom.com/an-open-letter-to-all-jv-partners/
     
  5. Longover

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    I think that a lot of them still have a really good reputation.

    Frank has a huge list and people will read his stuff just because of the character/persona he has created --> not necessarily because they want info on making money.

    The problem with IM product right now is this:
    A) Sellers have learned that because IM is a passionate niche (MONEY) that they can sell products that are turn key. This has been done for years and years in IM. However, 99% of these products are not turn key and they do require good ole fashioned sweat from hard work.

    B) A lot of buyers have been programmed by this selling to think that IM really doesn't require any work. When they find real methods and figure out that it is going to take work, they don't.

    Eben Pagan was talking about the same thing that Frank did in his article.

    The fear/frustration/pain that is in their face right now is much more motivating than the long-term one. (i.e.: working now is hard = possible frustration/pain/etc... VS not making any money in IM which is based on some date that probably isn't decided upon).

    You can say that Frank Kern, Eben Pagan, and the whole lot are scam artists or whatever you want to call them... But the fact remains that they have figured out a good system to making a lot of money.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. Rather than investing time and energy into hating these gurus, why not spend that time learning from How they do what they do. Also, how they talk to their audience.

    Then create a quality product, sell it, and watch their audience start buying it while they give Frank the finger.
     
  6. deathclick

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    ^^ yes, but watch today's video at the Salty Droid. Not sure this fits very well with my idea of the Blackhat Ethic, which is more about taking advantage of a computer, a network or an algorithm, rather than taking blatant advantage of real people guru-style.
     
  7. OTrap

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    Oh I have great respect for a lot of these guys, Longover. Spent two years working for one, and there are a LOT of misconceptions about the big guys in biz-opp. Hell, I could write an article on the misconceptions, but that would be fruitless.

    Honestly, in a lot of cases, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. It's a misconception that "most" of the products they market don't work. The reality is, they just involve more work than people expect (partly because of that turnkey marketing that you're mentioning).

    Frank's actually a great guy. Would give you the $300 shirt off his back, and would then roll a doobie with you. Real down-to-earth, approachable guy.

    Fact is, most of the big guys are like that. They're very successful, and they're willing to be helpful for those who are willing to work. I met with my old boss the other day (Mark Warren, of the Ultimate Wealth Package), and he was MORE than willing to help me out with my launch, give me site design tips, and more. This was because I was willing to put in the work.

    However, it IS true that a LOT of the big guys nowadays started out doing things that are now illegal (most commonly, spamming). Doesn't make them bad guys, and they weren't breaking the law at the time (or even "best practices" as best practices didn't really exist).

    I've met a TON of those guys, and they're honestly good, honest, hard-working guys for the most part. A few are snake-like, and not at all trustworthy, but others who sometimes still get a bad name or have their product's name dragged through the mud, even though they invested a lot of time and money trying to make the product quality.

    Just the nature of the niche I suppose. Reputation of the whole niche, from the outside looking in, is that we're all snake oil salesmen and that the products are get-rich-quick scams.

    People never seem to figure out that, quite often, the process being taught with the product is the same as one of the processes they use to make money.

    It's just not as easy as they let on.
     
  8. Sblackhat007

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    Great post Otrap,

    and this isn't one of this comment for a backlinkg great post that I usually post :rolleyes:.

    Although I haven't personally met any of these guides but there is a lot of what they do say and stuff that really stick with me, and not just on a logical level if you know what I mean :).

    But ya Frank Kern is a likable guy, probably the type of guy that would really click with me if met in person but then again I get along with most people.

    Any the problem with misconception is not just limited to IM world but probably more intense in the IM world because of the ease of communicating your opinion.

    With internet making your opinion heard is so easy, and everyone has an opinion. But that also makes it hard for someone like me starting out to really figure out what is right and what is just bias nonsense.
     
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    Yeah. I've met Frank. It's strange. The guy got started selling true garbage (some guys at least make an attempt to sell something profitable, even in this niche), but he really is the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off his back.

    A lot of them are that way. Even the ones who still have a bad reputation.

    I always get a chuckle when I read that <any "guru" name here> sells nothing but crap, because a lot of times, I can say to myself that I was actually in contact with them during the creation of it, and they've actually tried to either create (or at the very least organize) content that works for the consumer. To be honest, it's more profitable to do that anyway, and they know that.