Message to ALL beginners trying to "make money online"

farfetchedmoney

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Basically the secret method is pick a market and get traffic. If I wanted to sell lemonade where would I sell it? Where traffic is of course. I'd either go to events like concerts and sell my lemonade mobile or I'd find a high traffic area and set up a stand or I would distribute my lemonade through stores.

Same thing.

How do you make money online. Go to where traffic is. Twitter, squidoo, myspace, blogs, your website, ezines etc,. PPC, PPV, banner ads, craigslist, kijji etc

You know how to market the real question is are you too lazy to do it. Some people arent cut out to be entreprenuers because they want someone to tell them how to do every single step.

If I ask you what you wanna be when you grow up you can tell me, but, if I ask you what you wanna market online you get confused. LOL
 

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If there was a blackhat award given for "Best Thread Started on BHW" ...OP U Win!!!.. i have read a bunch of threads as i am sure most here have..but this is Numero Uno! Dam Good Reading!!!
 

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You know how to market the real question is are you too lazy to do it.

Well, a super motivated person using a shitty method won't make any money, either. And my point was that, using 99% of the "methods" that people post here, you can be motivated as hell and still be unsuccessful because the methods don't work for the reasons I've mentioned a few times already in this thread.

That's not to say that you can be lazy once you get a great method. But it's not as much about "omg hard work!!!" as some people will have you think.

That is another BS artist defense mechanism. Observe the following conversation:

IM noob: "I'm gonna try your product/course/whatever"
Scammer: "cool"
IM noob: "I tried everything you said, but it didn't work."
Scammer: "You're not working hard enough. Work harder."
IM noob: "ok."
...time passes...
IM noob: "I quadrupled my efforts and put in 18 hour work days for a month and hired some help to get even more work done using your method!"
Scammer: "You're not working hard enough. Work harder."
IM noob: "ok..."
...repeat infinitely...

People have been so conditioned to believe that working harder is the answer.

Working harder is the answer when you have a good method and when results are directly proportional to how hard you work. This is true in all fields, not just IM.

Working harder is not the answer when you're using a shitty method that doesn't work in the first place.

Some people arent cut out to be entreprenuers because they want someone to tell them how to do every single step.

You're kinda missing the point. When there is a thread that says "I teech u xactly what u needs to do to make teh monies" it should lay out every step. But they don't. They usually don't even work even if a smart person reads the thread and fills in the missing steps.
 

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OP, you're probably reading this and thinking "I've read tons of these ebooks and all their money making methods are hypothetical and I've never read something I didn't already know". That doesn't matter. Just because it's an old method that doesn't mean it's any less good. Someone wrote down what everyone already knows and is making money from this. I'm sure there's a little bit of jealousy involved as well. "I know all of this and I could've written this ebook" but the fact of the matter is, you didn't.

I would disagree with this as well. First off, you have to stop making assumptions about people thru what they write. I don't think there was any jealousy involved what-so-ever. I think the OP was passionate about this topic and, though I don't know if this is true, has probably been thru some of the same things he has seen other noobs going thru on this and other boards as well. I think this post was a genuine expression of concern, with absolutely no agenda behind it.

Also, just to express something from my experince, doing BH campaigns can certainly pay off and last a long time, but you have to know what you are doing. You have to study your field, from the top to the bottom, and you have to MASTER your method and choice of marketing. To do that it takes time, but its time well spent. I would say that, at minimum, it would take you about say 6 to 12 months before you get a firm grasp about how and WHY you are making money in a particular niche. This is why me and the OP as well as a few others are so against people who "supposedly" share thier cash cow. Its simply because finding that cash cow, BH OR WH, most of the time takes a HELL OF ALOT more time and effort than originally thought. And that time as well as the money spent and earn brings value to that particular niche, and no one in their right MIND, even if they have slightly moved on, would just give it away so freely. Its just stupid in business terms.

I'm not against sharing, but I believe that most people here are sharing things they themselves are not using or stole from someone else inorder to get E-Props. Having alot of "thanks" by thier name makes them feel good, it makes them feel they are worth something to someone. I could be wrong, but I would say about less than 10% of "method" posters are truly posting something that actually works for them, or that is bringing in more than $20 a day.

But again, if they are a serious marketer who is paying their bills with their particular method, and are not working a job on the side or whatever, then trust me, they are NOT giving you the secret, no way. Good luck to you.
 
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I would disagree with this as well. First off, you have to stop making assumptions about people thru what they write. I don't think there was any jealousy involved what-so-ever. I think the OP was passionate about this topic and, though I don't know if this is true, has probably been thru some of the same things he has seen other noobs going thru on this and other boards as well. I think this post was a genuine expression of concern, with absolutely no agenda behind it.

You know, I've been wondering why the OP made this thread. Why would someone who is already making money online want to help others do the same... for free? I mean he is just creating competitors for himself and others by pointing potential candidates for IM on the right path. For example, if I have a website that sells marklars then I don't want to encourage anybody else to start websites that sell things, because a few of those websites might be about marklars and that would chip away from my business profits. This is especially important when you're trying to maintain that razor-thin edge on the competition.

And then it hit me... what trumps logic? Emotions, of course, and since I'm a cynic at heart I went with jealousy rather than altruism.
 

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You know, I've been wondering why the OP made this thread. Why would someone who is already making money online want to help others do the same... for free? I mean he is just creating competitors for himself and others by pointing potential candidates for IM on the right path. For example, if I have a website that sells marklars then I don't want to encourage anybody else to start websites that sell things, because a few of those websites might be about marklars and that would chip away from my business profits. This is especially important when you're trying to maintain that razor-thin edge on the competition.

I have no problem giving people general advice, like how to create a website. The chance of someone else selling marklars is slim, and if I am already a big player in the marklar market, the chance of them overtaking me is also slim.

In other words, I don't think amazon.com cares if Joe Schmoe starts an online bookstore.

But what I (and anyone else who is smart) won't give out are specifics: niches, business plans, proprietary data, etc. That is what kills your market share, not general info like how to build a website.

And then it hit me... what trumps logic? Emotions, of course, and since I'm a cynic at heart I went with jealousy rather than altruism.
Wait, so you're saying I made this thread out of jealousy?

That would be incorrect.

This thread was originally a reply to someone else's post in another thread. The person was complaining that they had tried all this crap and none of it had worked. I was originally telling them that methods they get for free most likely won't work, and then the last part of the first post was about quantifying everything because the person said their "blog failed" and I told them they need to be more specific than just saying something didn't work.

So I originally wrote it to help that guy out.

But then I realized it was so long and important that it deserved its own thread, so I posted it here.

My intent was to help the noobs. I spent time as a noob trying out a bunch of crap that didn't work, 99% of which came in the form of "zomg make an eezy $50,000 per day doing NOTHING!" type of threads.

But I figured, I can't just tell people that all those threads are BS because they won't believe me, they'll just say I'm a "hater" or whatever, so that's why I went into detail explaining why people won't actually share profitable methods.

So no, I'm not jealous of anyone. I just felt that we needed a thread full of truth amongst hundreds full of BS.

I make most of my income online. I don't discuss the details of it for reasons mentioned in this thread.

I am providing info in this thread. I am providing the knowledge of how to tell when something is bullshit, which is the next best thing to being given a profitable turnkey method.
 
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There are a few things that i would like to say.

First i would like to say thanks to mollah. (Just repped u man)

Secondly, i would say that, in today's day, to make money you need to backtrack.
Check out what other ewhores are saying when they email you. What are the best things about their methods.

IF SOME GURU TELLS YOU TO ENTER A NICHE THAT YOU LOVE, TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF,

cause today, you have to be flexible to change and alter your plans quickly. If there is money in "canon powershot sx ............." then go for that,

rathar then going and competing on keywords like "viagra", even though you might love it more than your wife.

If someone tells you a method about writing articles on ezine articles, try to check eza to see if there is a person with a name like that. If not check his bookmarking sites,
check his link wheels. If not check the ip address of his host and see how many websites he has hosted. You will definitely get some info.

And this game seems more like the chinese whisper game, where one has to tell something to someone else. So instead of trying those methods, just pass them to more idiots people. Haven't you learnt anything from Imran Naseem yet.

Remember, if you haven't made money, it's quite possible you are not selling something. Even selling a dream could be selling something. For example : adsense, sharecash etc. Give them a strong reason to take action.
For ex : non availability of information, or an e-book/ software that is not available on the internet.

Most times i notice that as soon as softwares are offered for sale some people go straight to google and search for the software download link. You could take advantage of that since there are no people giving away the download link.

Same is the case with clickbank products. Just register a blogger domain with the keywords, can divert to those sites.

Another thing to remember is that, you should not rely on another marketer, since

"ALL MARKETERS ARE ......................."


Follow your instincts.

$1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
worth of thanks again, Mollah.
 

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Hey Jason, I agree with what you said, I just want to point out one thing {Mollah hope you don't mind bro......}

This statement here:
Check out what other ewhores are saying blah blah blah.

Careful the way you words things, esp. on this board. Reason being is that some noobs (and even some so called vets) may take that as saying "take someone elses you know what", and everything has a chain reaction, you feel me? I know you didn't mean that, but people now-a-days are lazy, you know what I mean. Just wanted to point that out. Otherwise, I agree with what you said.
 
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lol, someone on DP is saying that maybe the guy who copied my post (DP'er johnnykarrax) is the same guy as me.

Wow, that forum is really something.
 

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haha..just make $500 today selling another reharshed ebooks lol ..
 

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OP...Make that 99.99999999% of the IM world is bullshit.

peace out!
 

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aww I thought you were going to give me a method and hold my hand to guide me through it while I copy it word for word and if it didn't work I was going to piss and moan all over the internet about how I can't make money online.
 

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its a good advice for me to still learn from what happen in internet, and yes if 99 % people lie on the internet and i am sick of the word "Imagine if you got money everyday from what i am doing now" or "Follow me to be success and rich man by the net" bla bla bla bla.

just get the hell action for our self coz our success will depend of our work. Success for all member of BHW.

greetings
 

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This is a great post every newbie marketer should read before spending their valuable time and money on those never working e-books and programs.
 

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bumping my own thread because it's the greatest thread on bhw. It's so great that assholes on DP steal it and try to claim it as their own.
 

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WARNING: just a noob dashing out feelings underneath! in all kinds of random talking probably won't even make sense to most ppl but it does to me and it felt good to share it!


As a noob that hasn't made a dime out of IM about a year or so later (of course I gave up weeks then back on and off and on etc etc)

I gotta say that I've never read something as genuine as this thread even if some guru is gonna be thinking "Damn noobs 99% is so not true my method is really working you just don't know how to implement it and scale up on it!"

That's right guru-buddy let alone that we don't know how ti implement it because in the first place we're noobs and hearing you talk about YOUR method is like a chinese guy speaking to us in arabic when in the first place we can only speak english (wtf how are we supposed to understand you?!)

Now imagine scaling up on it. HA!

Nevertheless I agree with OP if I know a $1\day method I sure as F*CK not gonna share it with anyone! how about 500\day...

Stop selling us dreams guys..its devastating emotionally and even freakin economically..

But then again that's what we get from 1000000000 (add about trillion more zeros) ideas generated everyday offline and online selling trillion products worth of ztrillion more dollars and there you got urself a market online (weightloss HA!) and offline its almost never about the truth its almost never about "how to lose weight actually" its almost always about makin u buy thru my product\affiliated so I can "eat more get fat or go to a gym get fit or wat the hell ever I prefer".. yeah its like one of those chinese mind games that makes you keep scratching that head..

and here comes the mankind... its just like another form of war basically if it aint water, food, my toilet ,my sheets or a book that actually states a scientifically proven fact (even the BSers reached to science yea so youll get ur share from reading "SCIENTIFIC FACTS" kind of shitty books) then chances are its just a hype full of BS and i want to rip you off.

Alright I think that's about it. sorry for the long USELESS POST!
 
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