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Message to ALL beginners trying to "make money online"

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by mollah, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. mollah

    mollah Power Member

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    I wish someone had told me this stuff when I was a noob.

    (sorry if this is the wrong forum - I assumed most beginners and noobs would visit this forum)

    (Yes, it's long, but if you're too ADD to read this then you probably won't make any money online anyway)

    I posted this in another thread in response to someone saying that even after months of work they are still unable to make money. He basically said that he had tried all these different methods and nothing was working and he wanted to know why nothing was working.

    My response:

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    Congratulations, you're learning that 99% of the IM world is bullshit.

    People sell "ebooks", WSOs, and other shit that doesn't work (think about it. If they worked, they would be using them themselves, not selling the info to saturate the market). It's basic supply and demand. If I have a method that makes me $1000 per day, I'm going to use it and make $1000 a day. I'm not going to give it away and have competition that is going to take away some of my $1000 per day. Yet how many threads do you see on all the IM forums that say "EASY $1000 per day method!!!!! Click here!!" It's all bullshit. The poster just wants some e-cred, or is speaking hypothetically. Sure, you could make $1000 per day, but you're not going to.

    Not only that, but 99% of the time the "ebook" or whatever is written so poorly that there is no information to be gleaned from it, anyway. It's a "feel good", "empowering" book that makes you "feel" like you can go out and own the world, but you weren't even actually given any concrete examples so you're still fucked. I can tell you "build a high ranking page and sell affiliate products, promote your site with articles, choose affiliate products with high conversions, etc." and you think that you are getting good advice, but you're really not. Do you know how to do any of that stuff, or is it just all high-level semi-specific bullshit? Do you know how to make your page rank well? I mean, I just told you to do it, but I didn't tell you how to do it. Tricky, right? Of course, the next 50 pages in the ebook are talking about all the money, mansions, and chicks you will get when you are making $500 a day without doing any real work at all, so you end up feeling good about it even though a week, a month, a year from now you still won't have made any money.

    Internet marketing is exactly like day trading. The people who sell methods are not profitable. The people who ARE successful guard their methods with their lives. They sure as shit do not give them away for $37 to the first 10 people and $57 to everyone after that.


    Decide what you want to do.

    Do you want to make money from adsense?
    If so, you'll need to create a GOOD QUALITY website with good content and then get visitors. The best way to get visitors is to get a good search ranking. There are two ways to make money with adsense 1) develop a website that gets huge and makes a lot of money (for example, stevepavlina.com, or 2) develop MANY websites that each make a little bit (for example, 1,000 sites that each make $0.50 per day)

    Do you want to make money selling affiliate products? Find good products and then get people to buy through your affiliate link. How do you do this? You can make review sites (but most of them are hella scammy so be a little creative). But then you need visitors to your review sites in order to click your affiliate links. How do you get visitors? You can buy ads (make sure you're not spending more than you're making) or you can get a good Google rank.

    Do you want to make money selling proprietary products? Write some software. Sell it. Write a book. Sell it in physical form so people don't steal it and put it on toerrent sites. The only people who will pay money for a physical book are people who are serious about the subject and they only buy from authorities, so if you're not a nerd or geek about some subject matter, this probably won't work for you. You know how 99% of ebooks are worthless shit for the reasons I discussed in my previous post in this thread? That's not going to fly for a physical book.

    Do you want to make money providing services? Pick a service. What are you good at? Can you write well? Or does your writing sound like ESL crap? Find a place to advertise. What do people NEED? Once you establish that you are good at something, slowly increase your prices. No one is gonna pay $100 per article from a noob.


    Try different things. You may fail your first few times. I spent some time making review sites to sell affiliate products but even to this day I've never sold a single one. I just figure that's not for me, so I moved on to other avenues and now I make money.

    Also keep this in mind:

    99% of people lie.

    99% of people on IM forums are lying about what they do, how they do it, and how much they make. I absolutely guarantee that.

    The bottom line, same as with anything, is don't take advice from people who bullshit around. If you ask questions and get vague answers, they're probably bullshitting. Have a question? Get a specific answer. If you ask "how do I do [such and such]?" And the answer isn't specific, then either the person helping you is just messing with you or doesn't really know the answer or doesn't want to give you the answer. Do you have time to waste doing that? I know I don't. Put them on your Ignore List and move on. This goes TRIPLE if you're paying for information. If I pay for info I expect absolutely technical, no room for interpretation, no bullshit, no hippie crap, absolutely specific information about EXACTLY whatever the subject matter is. "First do [this], then do [that]. Do them specifically this way. Here are diagrams, charts, and examples." Don't settle for bullshit like "Imagine how much MONEY you will have once you do [this] and [that]. WOMEN will want to FUCK YOU. You can QUIT YOUR JOB!" No, that's not information that you pay for, that's bullshit, and sadly, that's what most of the IM world is. Idiots sell bullshit to other idiots. There's even a step-by-step thread on this forum about exactly HOW to do it.

    90% of the threads on IM forums are worthless. They're e-pissing contests. It's like:

    Question: "Which ad placement position is better for my website?"
    Answer: "Fuck you I make $500 per day and I'll only answer your question if you pay me $200!!" :rolleyes:

    The remaining 10% of threads vary between "mostly worthless" and "somewhat decent."

    There's not much that you don't already know. Hell, I gave you FOUR ways to make money in this thread, step by step. They weren't super specific, but you now have a framework for what you need to do. Attack each step logically, ask the right questions. What do you need to know? Why? Are you creating a website? Why? Do you have questions about how to do that? What specifically? "How do I make a website?" is not a question. "Which of the following hosting plans is better, based on your experience?" is a question. Are you choosing an affiliate product? Why? What information should you use when choosing? Why?


    Quantify everything.

    You said your iPhone blog failed. Why did it fail? What aspects of it failed? Did you not complete the site? Did it not look the way you wanted it to? Did you not get the traffic you needed? Why? Did you not get good Google rankings? Did your adwords account get banned? How was it monetized? Why? How many visitors converted? Do you know? Are you keeping track of this stuff? How old was the site? How much content did you have on it? What was its purpose?

    That stuff you said you posted on torrent sites, are you talking about PPI stuff? If so, please ignore my posts because you're the scum of the internet. (PPI = pay per install = putting malware in programs that people download and uploading them to torrents. It used to be profitable but you had to deal with the moral consequences of ruining other people's computers).

    Keep records. Know why stuff failed.

    Most importantly, learn that IM is not easy like all the eBooks and online "gurus" say it is.
     
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  2. kaidoristm

    kaidoristm Power Member

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    Damn man you told all the truth. :listen:
     
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  3. brchcar1445

    brchcar1445 Regular Member

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    I like your style man. That is the truth. Another word of advice. When you find something that works don't try to expand on different Ideas. Keep expanding the idea that works. If your making money on adsense, ignore the shiny things on forums like this. If you see somone telling you about the next great way to make money via CPA ignore it. You have already figured out how to make money on adsense, go with it and make it work. That is personally one of the biggest lessons I have learned.
     
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  4. Bloox

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    Mostly true... but there are working methods of making money, and people in BHW are truely giving it away. You just need to make it work for you. I don't want to say some of those methods makes me rich, but I learned new ways of getting money and now I have a higher knowledge about different things then before, and there will be a point where this knowledge WILL help me make (more) money.
     
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  5. GreenPickle

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    Great speech.. bravo!
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  6. Dark Knight

    Dark Knight Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    100% truth that I got my life experience, I wish if I can give you 10 thanks :) but gave you rep+
     
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    Da Troot!
     
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  8. kamikaza

    kamikaza Regular Member

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    you will have to test a lot of method in the beginning and this is a place where most fail. taking action is the only right way to succeed imo
     
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  9. AgentOrange_MkUltra

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    there is also another thing to consider - authority on a forum, even this, doesn't mean being reliable in real business; likewise - being unknown on this forum or other ones doesn't mean one has not made serious fortune.

    Test yourself before of trusting anyone / anything
     
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  10. phoumy

    phoumy Newbie

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    Good stuff Mollah. Well said and to the point.
     
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  11. super11

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    Bang on! After trying out several methods unsuccessfully, I have realized that most people reveal less than what they actually know. If you come across a complete step by step blueprint then probably the method is dead. :(
     
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  12. mollah

    mollah Power Member

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    Very true.

    But there are many obvious "tells" to suggest that a person is bullshitting, or, at least, unable to teach you. Just because someone is successful doesn't mean they are able (or willing) to impart knowledge into others.

    Either way, it's best to not waste your time with said person.

    Some "gurus" just like to string people along, always promising the "next bit of big wisdom" but never delivering. Or the people who write novel-length posts but don't actually say anything. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have time to waste on that kind of shit.

    It's why I advocate gratuitous use of the Ignore List feature (which I haven't been able to find on this forum???)

    Always, always, ALWAYS ask yourself, objectively, "did I learn anything from this?" Were you imparted with a feeling (bullshit) or actual, objective knowledge (useful).

    If you think you learned something, can you quantify it?

    For example: "Build niche websites and sell affiliate products." That doesn't really help, does it? I mean, you guys probably already knew that that was a possible method to make money. Yet there are 100+ ebooks out there that are like 50 pages long, yet all they really tell you is "build niche websites and sell affiliate products." The other 49.9 pages are full of bullshit feel-good fluff. So after you read that, did you know how to do those things? Let's examine a brief list of the knowledge that is actually required in order to "build niche websites and sell affiliate products."

    - You have to know what a niche is
    - You have to know how to identify low competition/high profit niches
    - You have to understand why high competition niches may not work as well

    ---(up through this point, if you don't understand those 3 things, you're likely to choose the wrong niche and even if you do everything else perfectly, you will still fail)---

    - You have to know what affiliate sales is
    - You have to know how to build a website
    --- You have to understand the various hosting options (free, paid, shared, etc.)
    - You have to know how to get an affiliate account
    - You have to learn how to build your own hoplink (or whatever they're calling them now
    - You have to know if any type of masking/cloaking is required
    --- If so, you have to know what cloaking is
    --- If so, you have to know how to cloak
    --- If so, you have to know if cloaking violates the TOS of your affiliate

    ---(so now you have a website with your affiliate links in place. Did you make $1,000,000 yet? Of course not. What good is a website without traffic)---

    - You have to know how to write effective sales copy (hint: it's not by outsourcing to ESL people "You should can and buy of this product because the best is why it is good" is not going to sell shit to anyone)
    - You have to know how to get traffic
    --- There are different ways of getting traffic. Do you want to buy traffic (mostly useless), do you want to use adwords to get traffic (don't spend more than you make!), or do you want to do SEO and get to the #1 spot in Google? (which I could write a 400 page book on that subject alone))
    - About 100 other bullet points about getting traffic

    So now, if you picked a good niche and if you picked a good product and if your sales copy isn't ESL drivel and if you get traffic and if a good percentage of traffic converts and if you didn't spend more on advertising than you're making from sales, then you might actually start making money online.

    That is, if you didn't fuck up somewhere along the way by following some bad advice on the forums and getting your account banned or your site blacklisted or deindexed or sandboxed or labeled as spam or any of the things that can go wrong if you blindly follow morons who don't know what they're talking about.

    So if you paid for a book and all it told you was "build niche websites and sell affiliate products" and it didn't go into specific detail about everything I've listed above, at the bare fucking minimum, then you probably got ripped off because shit, just come here and I would've told you for free "build niche websites and sell affiliate products." PM me for my PayPal address :D

    You also see that shit in the forums. Someone asks a specific question and gets a general vague bullshit answer. Do you know WHY? It's because either 1) the guy doesn't want to share, or, more likely 2) he's just bullshitting you by pretending to be a guru. Ignore List (again, where is the IL feature on this forum software?).


    If I want to FEEL GOOD I'll go read a Tony Robbins book. Feeling good will not make you money in IM. Objective knowledge will. The last time I built a profitable website, I didn't open up my editor and tell it how good I felt and how much money I was going to make and how I was going to tell my boss to fuck off and how I was going to fuck supermodels on my yacht; I had to enter html code (objective knowledge) in order for it to work.
     
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  13. truboy

    truboy Registered Member

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    Thanks a lot man , this is a great article :)
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  14. kaidoristm

    kaidoristm Power Member

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    Dude you should write an book of this. "IM can i handle it?" +rep for telling the truth :) (we got enough liars already)
     
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  15. PureMind

    PureMind Regular Member Premium Member

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    Or you can just think out new blackhat mathods yourself. I failed many times but now I know a way to make money automated and it can be scaled(Scaling unlimited actually)!
     
  16. Kamilion

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    Very informative thread,you could sell it on DP Lol
     
  17. wrsler

    wrsler Newbie

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    Excellence! I woke up from $1000/day dream.

    Only try and test by myself is better.

    :D
     
  18. baphometslayer

    baphometslayer Newbie

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    Oh come on, BHW is a wealth of information. It's really simple. Learn old methods that are proven and tried, go to your affiliate website and look through every link.

    Take what you know and adapt it for offers until you hit the sweet spot.

    It's all trial an error imo.
     
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  19. Dan2009

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    Great thread, will save the newbies from wasting $$$ on useless ebooks :p lol
     
  20. mollah

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    Fixed :D