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Members, don't be so damn cheap

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by RoscoeT, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. RoscoeT

    RoscoeT Junior Member

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    Hello All,

    I am making my own affiliate program right here on the BWH forum.
    The purpose of a forum (IMHO) is to build an online community of people with similar interests.

    I see lots of people on here begging for + rep after posting something, anything at all. Seems a bit pathetic, however there is something far more laughable.

    People who waste a few minutes of their time to write a post telling the sad little noob why they are not worthy of the +rep.

    Well let me say this... HOLY SHIT! don't be so god damn cheap with your precious clicks. It's not like they cost you anything...

    People on here are mostly, in one form or another, wanting to make money off the clicking habits of the general public but can't click a button that means absolutely nothing. That is sad...

    So join me, see my signature. Do the same, share the love, it only takes a second. It's not a contract written in stone and signed in blood. It's literally 2 clicks.

    I see senior members on here with hardly enough +rep to fill a teaspoon. Let's change that so we can all share in the bounty.

    I hope I have not offended anyone. If I have, well, probably you need to change your attitude about community in general. Sorry.

    RT.
     
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  2. gts6

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    as much as i hate the rep system, it is already distorted because of people pretty much doing what you are now suggesting.

    this is a bad idea IMO and is only gonna make things worse. if we are gonna have to be stuck with this rep system, at least try to save it from being more distorted than it already is. issue rep only when someone posts something helpful or answers someones question or posts something useful, or dont issue any at all
     
  3. Olly

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    Rep should only be given when someone makes a good post that is useful and benefits people. This way, people can tell who is a good contributor to the forum and posts useful information.

    The way it is at the moment with people begging for it and giving it away to anybody for any reason, it's ruining the purpose of it. It seems people thinks rep is somehow connected to their penis and the more rep they get the bigger theirs becomes :rolleyes: Seriously, it's their for a reason, not to be used as some kind of toy.
     
  4. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    Thanks for your humorous and very clear explanation, Olly.

    The right to access downloads is not to be earned by begging reps, but it is to be earned by credits given for one's valuable posts and shares. Reps are just a convenience to measure one member's credit. RoscoeT seems to be against this system only because he has not too much credit.

    RoscoeT, if you dream about cheating the rep system, remember well, a new system may be introduced by the admins at any time to keep intact the forum's policy:
    give more to get more.

    We need contributing members, not freeloaders. This principle keeps the forum alive.

    RoscoeT, you've joined not long time ago, and judging from your credits, yo didn't read too much of the forum's content. I assume that's why you don't understand something, when you tell you "see senior members on here with hardly enough +rep to fill a teaspoon". Let me clarify something for you. Senior members contributed more, than you think. It is the recent introduction of the reputation system the reason why you cant' measure the amount of old members' contribution by the reps.

    For all who think about how to circumvent the reputation system, I recommend better to think about how to add some value to the forum, and you will see your reputation level growing as you add some good ideas or shares in your posts.

    However, if you are more concerned about making parties on the subject of reps, think about is it really BlackHat your vocation, or you may achieve better carrier in politics.
     
  5. vader

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    Another thread by a noobie trying to bring this forum down and build his. I think this forum should be a payed forum. so we won't have to deal with people asking for reps and complaining about this forum. This is a great forum and i think people don't respect it because it's free. Mostly noobies
     
  6. nicho

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    I would suggest that before you start making comments about the forum that you get your feet under the table and watch and learn, just make sure that your posts like the present one does not get anyone stamping on your toes.

    try to be of the solution not part of the problem
     
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  7. RoscoeT

    RoscoeT Junior Member

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    Well, that got some attention at least. Mostly negative but it's a start at least.

    Seems that lots of you missed the point I was trying to make. Which is not to cheat the rep system, or click peoples rep button for no reason. The points are:

    1. clicks are not paid for in gold.
    2. It's okay to give some away.
    3. Many members who do contribute plenty get ZERO recognition since no one is sharing the love.

    Just look at some of you who replied to this thread...

    gts6 Posts: 296 Rep: 16
    Olly Posts: 143 Rep: 14
    nicho Posts: 284 Rep: 15

    Heck even diamond dave has a rep only around 30 something.

    How is it that you can post almost 300 times and still not be worthy?
    That is 1.6%
    That either means that 98.4% of your posts are shit OR that people don't appreciate your contributions enough to click a freaking button.

    All I am saying is that it is silly to be so stingy with something that costs nothing.

    You 3 that I mention above, at your present rate it will take you about 1000+ more posts before you are allowed to be full members. What do you think about that?

    I like it here, I don't mind the rep system, but some are way to reluctant to click on it because they think that a post has to blow their mind. Or be some ground breaking new technique.

    All rep means is that you think the member is trying to make a genuine contribution to the community. It does not mean that you are giving them power of attorney or putting your face on their product.

    Point is, it's just a click.

    Maybe I just need to start posting rehashed e-books and warez links like the rep whores. (art, no offence pal ;-) )

    Or maybe I could do what I am doing now and trying to loosen that clicking fingers of some of our members.

    Just speaking my mind.
    RT
     
  8. nicho

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    Rt time to bring some sense to all of this stuff regarding credits and rep, none of them earn you any money, none of them mean too much unless you like your ego stroked, personally l do care what people think , not bothered if they give rep or not, all that matters is l like making posts if it helps because l also get something back from the forum.........
     
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  9. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I am proud to see that there are still members who stands against rep prostitution.

    Until we think of some rules regarding the rep begging or exchange, enjoy the red rep.
     
  10. andygabon

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    why it must be an issue? :p

    rep = the way to say thanks, right?
     
  11. RoscoeT

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    Sure Nicho, I agree with you. I don't really give a shit either, rep or no rep I don't care. However I sure would like to be considered worthy to download attachments that were shared with the forum.

    Many have reacted negatively to what was meant to be a harsh, yet positively motivational, kick in the ass.

    My point again, was NOT to cheat or hack the system.

    The point was that I wanted to let people know how silly they were acting when they post something then have to beg for rep, cause they won't ever get it other wise. And how utterly absurd it was to deny them based on some silly idea that you need to hold onto your clicks n shit like it was money.

    Clicks are free, rep means nothing other than letting you participate further in the forum. So, lets share it a little. If you agree with a post, click the rep button. If you see someone making an attempt at a positive contribution, click the rep button. It does not hurt nor does it make you a "sell out" in some way.

    As for you Art, you google monster, I see more posts from you where you read one paragraph and start posting personal judgements on that person's character. Not just me, but others as well. I don't think you would like it should people do that to you, so why don't you keep your personal observations to your self.
    That in my opinion should earn you neg rep. And you give me neg rep cause I want to shake stuff up a bit... sad really. If I gave you one neg rep for every time you prejudged someone on this forum you would be well under the coveted 21+rep. Then I can hear you now, "the rep system is unfair...".

    Well, if it means nothing then why all the fuss?
     
  12. gts6

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    yes and no. its been abused.

    some people have used it as requirements to download things, etc.
    i also suspect many times people have been given reps for "side-dealings" done through pm's or outside of BHW. if the rep was given for something other than what was shared TO THE WHOLE FORUM, then it should not count. it IS a BHW rep and should only count to things of importance shared to the whole of BHW.

    the thing is really distorted beyond repair and I really hope this rep system is now circling the drain
     
  13. vader

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    everybody need to stop complaining. I wonder why some of our top members lift.
     
  14. gts6

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    it wouldnt be such a big deal,but some people have been here for a long time posting quality and helping people with good answers and then they get cut off from certain things like viewing attachments, and then out of the blue some noob comes along and shares some file and the sheep adore them like the freakin messiah and throw reps at their feet like rose petals. meanwhile the people who been here a long time cant even view attachments.

    maybe there should be a rule: 1 file shared = 1 rep point, 1 quality post = 1 rep point.. MAX. no need for every person to keep repping for 1 item shared.. once one person found it useful and repped the person, that is it for that post or file share
     
  15. vader

    vader BANNED BANNED

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    The people who been here for a long time and can't view attachment only says one thing their post ain't good enough to get reps from most people or maybe im wrong. You decide


    I hav'nt heard much from Diomond Dave. I''ll talk to him about changing things for the better if people keep on complaining.
     
  16. gts6

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    if this is directed to me, you can easily look at all my previous posts and see that most of them are answering SOMEONE ELSE's question. Im sure to THAT person, it was good enough, maybe not to everyone, but to that person, at that time, it was, because they needed the help.

    i mean, what comes next.. someone asks a question, and people need to respond saying "yeah i know the answer, but it will cost you a rep for me to post the answer!"
     
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  17. vader

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    It's good let's drop it.
     
  18. scriptkiddy

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    Nobody see the irony of a thread on whether a system should be upheld or gamed on a board dedicated to black hat?

    black hat is essentially all about gaming the system.

    a bit like, does your site really belong at the top of google?

    How about some black hat techniques to get repped,
    or a competition for a bot to generate registrations and reps.
     
  19. RoscoeT

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    A php forum is hackable and cheat-able. That does not make it correct that we cannot give each other credit where it is due.
     
  20. newsman

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    For f*cks sake! Pay the $25 and become a Donor! Twenty five bucks ain't gonna kill you! Stop all this whinging and boo hooing and get on with it!