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Market Samuari - Domain Page Links vs Page Backlinks

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by simpleonlinetest, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. simpleonlinetest

    simpleonlinetest Regular Member

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    I have a valid question that I haven't found anywhere on here.

    It seems that I may of stumbled across a good niche but the Page Backlinks are beatable around 1k...the domain backlinks on the other hand are about 30k.

    How much weight does Domain Backlinks account for in Google vs just the Page backlinks?
     
  2. G0D0VERY0U

    G0D0VERY0U Regular Member

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    IF THIS IS A NICHE REALLY WORTH CHASING:

    I would first look at domain pagerank.

    IE- How many of those yahoo indexed sites has google counted towards pagerank? A good indicator on how many of those links really matter.

    Then I would do the same with that individual page that you want to outrank. Take that into consideration.

    This may seem like enough but you want to be sure that you aren't pissing in the wind...

    If both of those elements looked beatable - I would make one last check on spending maybe 10 minutes looking at their backlinks. It may be that a lot of their links were VERY beatable last PR update, but since he has developed PR N/A or 0 backliinks into PR 3, 4, or 5 backlinks, you may be in a shit load of trouble.

    The reason is that his current posted pagerank figures may not be functionally correct. IE - His site is now actually an effective PR 6 and will be ranked so on the next PR update - but just 2 and a half months ago when that last PR update came around he was only a 2. So your PR figures were actuate to the posted ones, but the posted PR's themselves are inaccurate because they aren't (fully) real time - yet. :D

    You do that by looking carefully at social network blogs, individual blogs that may be part of a BAD (.... blog farm or other shadey mass link but as of yet NOT mark or flagged as a bad neighborhood....) neighborhood. Look at their backlinks. Signs of link spamming?

    Really, your true "Know for sure" answer would be to make sure that you aren't up against a massive link spammer that's so new he hasn't built up to his full PR ranking and thus his former PR ranking's are highly misleading.

    A more fundamental understanding of white hat competition is great, but a deeper look at fast rising grey hat (or even dark olive'ish) SEO sites are an important aspect which often catches everyone off guard at least once.
     
  3. pirondi

    pirondi Power Member

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    Dont count much High from Domain links,Is better just to count the Pr of the domain.

    Google will discount this links from same domain.

    Some sites has 50.000 but they are all trash,so instead of the number try to look a bit more in the quality.
     
  4. Bompa

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    Wow! That is very confusing.

    You speak of the "page backlinks" and the "domain backlinks", but who's
    backlinks are these? The #1 site for that particular search? Does that site
    have both a page AND just domain ranking for that search?

    Why are you focusing on just the #1 ranking url? What if you spend all
    day analyzing that URL, decide it's too tough, then next week that URL
    is gone from the SERPs?

    PLUS, do you think just knowing the competition's total links showing in
    yahoo will be a good indicator of competition? Do you think all links are
    equal?

    Don't worry about how many backlinks the other guys have. Just completely
    ignore that. It's meaningless.

    Check allintitle: and allinurl:

    That's the best measure of competitiveness today.

    Ignore the PageRank of the ranking sites also, Google does NOT rank URLs
    based on PR. (PR of incoming links does matter, but not the PR of the
    homepage of the ranking site).

    good luck,
    Bompa
     
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  5. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Just take a look at the Page Rank, and page backlinks ("L" in SEO Quake Mozilla Firefox), and you can judge from there.

    Also look at page 1-3 to see what kind of competitions you should expect.

    Just install the addon SEO QUAKE for Mozilla Firefox, and you'll see all the data.

    The "LD" (Links to Domain) simply just means the Authority of the domain, and it can easily be beaten.

    Ex. if Links (L) are 1k-2k and (LD) are 1,000,000 they can still be easily beat.

    However, if the (L) is 15k, etc. and (LD) 30k, etc. then you are looking at some possible tough competition.
     
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  6. G0D0VERY0U

    G0D0VERY0U Regular Member

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    Clueless.

    Perfect example of why you shouldn't be teaching others about link spamming. What happens if a page on an overall well established domain with those millions of links didn't even have 1-2k links, but instead just a few hundred... but all 200 or 300 of them were direct Root-PR 3-5 meaning the page that the link itself rested on was a PR 3-5, not a meaningless page on a PR 3-x site.

    Only a hand full of links can easily outrank poorly developed links. This is a know, proven mechanism that everyone knows as parasite PR leak. As such a vastly knowledgeable individual, you of all people should have immediately recognized the big giant hole in your logic as one that almost every link spammer embraces at some point.

    Dear god, I'm going to give you a thanks for your awesome body of knowledge.

    OP - Always make sure you look AT the links, not just the number. Explanations filled with holes and bad theory like the one above are why you never see any real help on the topic. I'm out.
     
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  7. Kalidasa

    Kalidasa Newbie

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    I agree, SEO is a pretty complex subject. There are more factors than the experts know. Also, 1k links is a LOT.
     
  8. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Like I said:

    "Just take a look at the Page Rank, and page backlinks ("L" in SEO Quake Mozilla Firefox), and you can judge from there."

    Plus the keyword targeted in Quotes, Without Quotes, and allintitle tags for competition lookup.

    That's all you really need to know about competition.

    Guy, I've outranked hundreds of millions of competitors, and have 35 different websites ranking on the first page.

    So you coming in here and telling me I'm clueless is absolutely pointless because I speak from experience.

    PS. Nice dedication of your signature to me, get a life. Are you really that obsessed with me? (I don't swing that way, sorry)

    I mean who else would say this on their signature, then accuse me of being clueless in multiple threads:

    "His advice could have put your sites at risk, so I have started production on multiple video's to correct all the wrong he has done.... Take the advice of someone who can't keep their site's out of the sandbox with the huge grain of salt it deserves."

    It sounds like you are a very jealous marketer, and can't recognize other people for their success, which is ultimately the path to failure.

    And if you wonder why people don't message or pm you for help is because you speak in riddles. (Ex. "Go look at these 20+ patents and get a clue")

    I've helped hundreds of marketers, and I find it a bit insulting for you to accuse me of being "clueless" in more than one thread when I have phenomenal rankings making money with 35 websites. Countless others have also got tips and tricks from me who are now ranking higher and making money. I get messages of people thanking me daily, and I feel good contributing to this forum to help other marketers succeed and make money in a bad economy.

    By the way, you've joined in April 2010, and so you are a fairly new marketer, you might want to read around before accusing a more reputable member of being clueless. It's not going to get you far in the internet marketing realm.
     
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  9. beatuplunchbox

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    Okay kids, lets stop squabbling....

    The answer to the op is fairly simple. Use your eyes and put them on the top ten sites. Are they quality? are they old? who is linking to them? is it organic df links or spun/spammed nf comments?

    Thats really how to sum up competition.

    Just look at what they actually have going on instead of just number of backlinks.
     
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  10. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Exactly.

    It's just some basic information that every marketer needs to know.

    There's no "secrets" really, it's just a matter of looking at the top 10-20 results.
     
  11. ea1thy

    ea1thy Newbie

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    OP, you question couldn't be answered in this manner. As already been told quality over quantity!