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Market Place - Bumping of threads by asking users to post to confirm orders

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by Sephrata, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Sephrata

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    Following on from @Sherbert Hoover's post:

    I was wondering if the rules should be expanded so sales threads are not bumped by sellers asking users to post every time they place an order etc.?

    I was looking for reviews of some social media services and some sales threads are littered with people writing their order numbers or registering and waiting for activation.

    This is one example of what some people are doing:

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    I don't really see the purpose of the wording in red, other than trying to use users to boost their threads. It makes it difficult for people to find genuine reviews etc. before buying a service.
     
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  2. mickyfu

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    I've had what I can only describe as c**ts, that have not started my order as I have not bumped their thread. I fucking hate these bump whores.
     
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  3. MatthewGraham

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    Would agree with that. It's a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma situation. These things are pointless bullshit and everyone knows it:
    • Posting order IDs
    • Asking for coupon codes in the thread
    • Asking for samples in the thread
    But, you can't really get mad at people for asking or hold it against them, because they presumably don't want to do that garbage anyway. They basically have to, though, since if they don't others will. Do you want your actually good not-spam-garbage service to get buried while those other assholes abuse thread bumping loopholes? No? Well then you better do the same bullshit.

    It would be better for everyone if it was agreed to cut that shit out, but without an actual policy about it there's no way to make that happen because it's always going to be better for the individual sellers to do those things.
     
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  4. Toz

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    I agree. Once you pay a seller, you shouldn't then be obligated to bump their thread, for them to begin your order. That's what the money and form submissions are for.
     
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    Well BHW encourages you to ask customers to leave reviews, but this is just forcing pure spam.
     
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    Yeah refusing to complete an order when you don't post details in the sales thread is really shitty practice, payment should be sufficient to complete the work. Generally I would stay away from sellers that do this.

    With that said BHW does actually advise asking customers to post in your sales thread so most are just going by that suggestion and getting people to request coupons etc in their sales thread.

    I agree the whole practice is a bit shitty but at the very least when you are offering discounts for BHW users making them contact you for a coupon is one way to ensure that only BHW users are getting the discount. It's not much of a pro but it's something at least.
     
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  7. MatthewGraham

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    Follow-up thought:

    The solutions to sellers requesting people to confirm orders in the thread and to needing to request coupon codes both seem straight forward enough (specifically, some kind of infraction for people requesting confirmation posts and sellers being required to post any/all coupon codes directly in the original post).

    But the issue of samples is a little more ambiguous. There are some services where there are legitimate reasons why you can't post your samples/site list in the OP (lists of expired domains available for registration, guest post lists, sharing the names for social media accounts you're selling, etc.). That'd be your tougher issue.

    Because assuming you remove the coupon code and order confirmation issues, you'd want to avoid having the marketplace be dominated by services that can't share samples publicly (i.e., services with 9 million people posting "samples plz"). You'd want to make sure that you solve all of the bump loopholes because otherwise it'd make everything worse in that you'd still have threads using proxy-bumping loopholes, but now only a smaller subset of sellers can abuse those loopholes, which is even more of a nightmare since at that point the marketplace would be favoring specific assholes instead of all assholes. The solutions that come to mind are:
    • Having a secondary form that has like one field that users fill out with their BHW username. Sellers can then check intermittently and PM everyone who submitted their username.
    • Banning buyers from requesting samples in the thread and requiring them to send a PM instead. This might be an awful nightmare for sellers, though, whose inboxes would catch fire. This would also put too much of a burden on the buyers rather than sellers, when really, sellers are the ones who should have the obligation to know every marketplace rule, not buyers.
    • Had some other ideas, but they all have terrible and obvious flaws, so not even posting those.
    Anyway, there's my two cents. Try not to spend it all in one place.

    Interested to see if this thread goes anywhere. I know the issue of proxy-bumping has been brought up more than once before.
     
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  8. Toz

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    Perhaps BHW can introduce an upload function that allows the BST sellers to upload samples of whatever service they provide. An interested prospect can then visit the BST and then click a "REQUEST SAMPLE" button and without bumping the thread, the sample is immediately forwarded to the persons PM inbox.
     
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    Something like that would potentially solve that problem. Trying to think through it from a logistical/developer point of view, since the mods/admins are presumably extremely busy already. Requesting some custom software beyond the base limitations of the existing site might get all of that added to the "Things to Consider Looking at in 2019" list rather than something that might actually happen.

    Other potential issue with that is the "automated" part. When manually sending out samples, if you get a request from an obvious/known scammer/moron/shill/whatever you can decide to not send your list. If you've got that automated there might be abuse potential from scammers/morons/shills/people with vendettas.

    Either way, I get what you're saying. Some kind of way that people can request samples without constant bumps and filling up 35 pages useless comments.
     
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  10. Zwielicht

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    It's already against the rules and, as @LuckyCharm007 would tell you (he didn't do it, but a seller contacted him and refused to do business with him until Lucky bumped the seller's thread), I've issued infractions to sellers who have attempted to do so. I refer to it as "thread bumping by proxy". I encourage everyone to report sellers who force their customers to bump their thread so that they can be dealt with.

    I haven't read through all of the replies here, but I'd also like to remind everyone that there are already plans to revamp the marketplace.
     
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  11. Sephrata

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    Sorry to bump this thread, but I still see people doing this.

    Take Natasha Nixon's Instavisits for example. You are required to:

    1) Post in the thread when you've signed up (From https://www.instavisits.com/reseller/register "Note: You MUST post message in our thread with the username above saying that you've signed up").

    2) Post in the thread when you place an order.

    There are a lot of people who are asking for their accounts to be activated or a review copy. The opening post clearly states "Free Review Copies for Everyone" and "All Members Welcome" yet the policy now seems to be that "Forum members with less than 75 posts and accounts less than 6 months old will be denied."
     
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    Is it against the rules to confirm orders in threads , or just against rules for sellers to DRMAND that orders are confirmed?

    I must admit, I always confirm my orders, partly because sellers ask me to buy partly so I have a backup way of tracking orders in addition to my own records. On occasions in the past I have kicked myself for not confirming an order on a thread after forgetting when I ordered and then not being able to find the details.

    Having said that I certainly don’t think it should be a REQUIREMENT to do this.

    And also, if this is against the rules, then I’ll stop doing it from now on!!
     
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  13. Sephrata

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    I know and see quite a few MP sellers that do this.

    I would suggest that each sale's thread should have an order/review copy request sub-thread (is this even possible?), to continue to allow you do this. This way you're able to track orders, without the intentional/unintentional bumping of your main sale's thread.
     
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    When the marketplace is revamped, I'd like a parking space on top, that way I dont have to have people bump my page.
     
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    Being a market seller myself, I've never forced my client to post their Order IDs after their orders.

    If they feel like or want to, it is definitely appreciated. But I do encourage them to post their feedback after they've tried their service so other potential buyers know what they're going to get after they place their orders. That bumps the thread(definitely helps) and helps other people so it's a win win situation.
     
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    Yeah i hate that too when you are actually looking for reviews but all you see are order ids and activation codes.
     
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    Sounds like a good idea but maybe would make things a bit complicated.

    Also one problem in general - if there ends up being almost no reason to bump a sales thread, he would we ever find them! I always find new Services to use when they get bumped on to the homepage.

    If the admins are revamping the MP any ay then hopefully will be some beneficial changes.
     
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    Check out my Fiverr gig.

    For $5 Me Will Make Forum Thread Stick At Top.
     
  19. manpreet

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    There's a thread in the misc section thats always near top for traffic service. On website registration it says post on thread and will be accepted. Traffic is fake as well how do they get away with things like this?
     
  20. Toz

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    There would still be bumps to the sales thread. It's just that it won't be done as frequently. Notice if you visit a few BST sub-forums, you will usually see the same sellers' services floating about the top. The inexperienced bumpers (the ones that don't engage in the following:
    fake accounts asking for samples
    fake accounts using virtual credit cards to place orders from themselves (for moderator proof, in case requested)
    fake accounts leaving fake reviews
    fake accounts requesting coupons
    real accounts instructed to request coupons
    real accounts being forced to ask for samples if they'd like to see examples of the work
    ), stand little chance at selling legitimate services and maintaining a steady income, at the current rate of artificial bumping. They get buried. There are quite a few ways in which this could be handled. A sample upload can be provided by the seller at the time of opening the BST and requesting approval. If samples change, then they can provide the updated material to the moderators for approval. From there, any interested buyer only needs to click on a simple button that says, "REQUEST SAMPLE", while in the BST, and immediately, a PM is sent to the person requesting said sample. Inside the PM, are the attachments of the samples being provided. Makes BHW more efficient and provides an immediate customer satisfaction experience. From there, the person can place the order or decide not to. Their choice. Also, a "REQUEST COUPON" button would work wonders! The BST seller can setup their criteria for coupons (ie: X posts, account status, etc), and if the customer meets the criteria, a PM will be received, displaying the applicable coupon code(s).