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Manual action has been removed on one of my websites, what I noticed and tips.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by dollarzz, Dec 14, 2013.

  1. dollarzz

    dollarzz Regular Member

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    Hey guys,

    On one of my websites a manual action has been removed. It took me 3 times to get it done.

    So I had some crappy links to my website and all of them where of services bought here in the bst section. So becarefull with the links you buy.

    I downloaded all the links from webmastertools and Inspected all of them. So I removed about 80-90% of all of my links (with the disavow tool). Google still didnt liked it and gave me a few example links that where still there.

    The funny thing is these links didnt show up in webmastertools. So google knows about more links then you can see in webmastertools. Which is kind of funny. So I added those links to a new disavow txt file and I stripped all of the spammy domains to the root domain and disavowed the root domain as well.

    Result manaul penalty removed... as I have read it may take some time for my rankings to come back and since a lott of links where spam I probably wont get back my old rankings.

    A few tips for any of you building links.

    Google gave me examples of bad links and these where mostly web2.0 and profile links. Keep it all natural and stop buying crappy services becarefull with tier 2 and tier 3 links. Since they can pass a penalty to your tier 1 links and you get links from a penalized domain.

    - profile links dont create hundreds of em, who the fuck links to his favourite site into his profile on some forum or website? Only the admin and maybe a few others. So why creating hundreds of them on spammed to death sites or whatever site. Its not natural.
    - web2.0 links dont have the same spun content on hundreds of web2.0 sites. Or sites that you rarely come on yourself, stick to the well known ones and have a few from lesser known ones. Make the content good and have some more posts on there.

    I think you wont need a link every single time. Sometimes just place your web adress with or without www but dont make a link of it. Google will find it anyways.

    - Blog comments I think they still work if they are targeted and on moderated websites and are about the subject. They dont have a lott of value but I think they are great for tier 1 and tier 2

    Make it seems as natural as possible, create links on a schedule. Dont create one week 1k links and the week after no links at all... that is strange. I may have some bumps like one week 1k the week after only 50 links thats called a spike, or a viral moment.

    One more thing... Google is smart and now they know a little more about you and your site. They know you want to rank and make money and people who think like that are capable to bend the rules... It might be hard to get your penalized site to rank again, since they probably will be watching you with some sort of algorithm. Or they will in the future.

    They know 90% of your links where crap so if you had 5000 links and 4500 links where crap and your site is 5 years old... What does it mean.
    500 links where created natural or where good links. Which means 500 links in 1825 days.

    500/1825 = 0,27 links per day is the rate of good links built... So if you after your penaly begin building links again, I think you might think about this as well... Adding 100's of "good links" a day again to get your rankings back might look unnatural again.

    I think it is still best to start from scratch, as you are giving away to much information and patterns. And google knows more about links that are bad because you try to remove everything to make your site getting back in the serps. So even links google might have thought that where good are now bad... And if lots of people do it.. more type of links lose its vallues.

    Thats all I wanted to share :)

    Have a great weekend!
     
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  2. adwaitk007

    adwaitk007 Junior Member

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    hey thanks. That was useful! I too had manual removal and I finally gave up as I didn't found the source (basically didn't had time to spent on finding).
     
  3. Cryptocurrency

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    Did you buy any blog network links? Or just profiles/comments/web 2.0?
     
  4. jhakasseo

    jhakasseo Senior Member

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    Wow I really appreciate your nice and detailed information of getting back from Penalty. Thank you..
    Just one question - you said to watch out Tier 2 links. So having Tier 2 spammy links to Tier 1 will effect directly to my money website or tier 1 links?
     
  5. Robvandam

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    Interesting observations. I know someone who had his manual penalty action removed a few weeks ago, as in, he got a message from Google that they've lifted it, but for some reason he says he still sees that manual penalty message in his Webmaster Tools. I guess it takes time for them to actually implement the removal.
     
  6. dollarzz

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    Well in my observation but in no way I am claiming its the case, its my way of thinking and I believe tier 2 effects in some way or it may get devalued. And if your tier 1 loses its value and becomes spammy how does your money site look with all those spammy links? I havent tested it very good, so I am not sure about it and cant claim this is the way it is. Just my observation.

    I did not have any blog network links and I am not planning on buying them. Most blog networks leave amazing footprints and look unnatural in my eyes. Every single post a link.... Often expired domains with PR and then every single post with a link. The same links popping up everywhere in the same timeframe... Its all very suspicious. Stick with guest posts or your own kind of network.

    I had plenty of web2.0 and high pr edu gov comments and stuff like that. Its all crap. I had links from sites all over the world and my site targeted just one country. I had some very bad links bought from a service provider here. Or multiple of them.

    The source of bad links? I had to evaluate about 5k links. Took me about 8-10 hours

    I've read multiple things about it, it can take some time. Sometimes they forget to lift the actual penalty. and you have to file a reconsideration again. Sometimes its a manual action or a algorithmic action.
     
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  7. t0ms0nn

    t0ms0nn Newbie

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    Great post sir, thank you so much!

    I have a manual penalty also, but it is only targeting some parts of the site, not the whole one.
    Yet, the page went down in ranking.

    Also, when removing the links, I know Google said to use the Disavow tool you should ask admins to remove the links manually?

    Did they check you on that or you just went a head and removed the bad ones in Disavow tool?

    How long did the whole process took?
     
  8. dollarzz

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    I did not contact any webmasters, I told them I tried to reach the guy who created this mess. But he was out of business. And that I havent done anything ever since then, I told them I had a great site in my niche. And I do. And that I thought users would miss out if not beeing able to reach my website. Something along those lines, but 80% is true.

    Small Update:

    Site hasn't come back to date.

    Friday the 13th (haha) I reveived the notice the action was revoked. The penalty disapeared a day later from webmastertools but still all links show up in webmastertools.

    Rankings are about the same. Not ranking for its main keyword with my main url instead with some crappy innerpage taxonomy page.

    Will update in a few days
     
  9. t0ms0nn

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    Thanks,

    Hopefully you will get back asap, I mean that would make sense if you get hit, then fix up your site and comply with the rules - should be back in the position you were right?

    What's your new strategy now, fresh content + social media + links ( but this time, all good links only?, are you still gonna buy? )
     
  10. Reyone

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    This is something that either people choose to ignore or they just simply do not give a shit about (when going whitehat)

    Check the bst section and see if you can find any of those "OMG 100% WHITEHAT SO WHITE YOU CAN WIPE YOUR ASS" that do not offer second tier 129034u12491u29u421 links to the tier 1.

    Guess what, a fucked up tier 2 will go to your tier 1 which will eventually go to your money site. Stop calling it whitehat if you are actually offering spammy shit...
     
  11. Bartholomew

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    What is the point to have penalty removed without actual ranking? Is there fucking anyone who got his rankings back by any method after he was told the manual penalty is removed? I've yet to see any such examples but this notorious one about flowers site.
     
  12. dollarzz

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    I started a while back creating a new site in the same niche but broader and not emd. Incase my site did not come back. I always had good content not great. I would say 7,5/10 in qaulity, but all unique non spun content. I am not going to buy any more services and if I buy its only guestposts or some web2.0 which I can expand myself... But most likely I want be buying anything at all..

    Well it might work for now, but it wont for long, but if you get 90% good links and some spammy shit probably nothing will happen. But I am not matt cutts so I dont know about the algorithm. I just try to stay away a little from seo and if I do something it will be great content and a great backlink.

    Well I dont know if they get back, but it took me just one working day to clean it up, and if it gets back thats great, since I spent some more hours on building the site. I do have another site in the same niche which I started building after this one got hit. So even if it doesn't come back its not the end of the world.

    Well if I get my rankings back I will update it over here, if not same story. As of now nothing has moved but I do see some dancing, but it might have nothing to do with the penalty beeing removed. I read about people getting back from a penalty, as this is my only site penalized I am about to find out what happens, I cant speak from experience in this point of view.

    The case is, its a pretty good site, it just had some spam shit from 2010-2011, and it was one of my biggest earners so I wont cut it loose so easy.
     
  13. Robvandam

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    I doubt that would be the case - if you're right however, that's just sheer negligence.
     
  14. onemth

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    Is article directories also considered as web 2.0 sites?

    If you are not going to seo by blog networks/profiles/comments/web 2.0 , then what seo method do you recommend?
     
  15. onemth

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    Is it possible to use the disavow tool to disavow 100% of the links, will the site become like a new 0 backlinks site? and then just redo all seo again and it appears like doing seo to a new 0 backlinks site?

    Does using the disavow tool lift the actual penalty or do you still need to file reconsideration?
     
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    How do you evaluate which are bad links and which are good ones?

    How do you know if it is a manual or algorithmic action?

    Thanks
     
  17. dollarzz

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    I just read about it, in my case this didnt happen.

    I do them but not spammy stuf anymore. So its my own network not of from seller who is overselling. Not a million profiles just 2-10 on sites I actualy use. Comments, again I do them but not on spammed to death sites and not on pages created a few months/years back but on recent pages. Natural natural natural. Web2.0 which contains quality and is not suspected to have anything to do with my site(s), but looks like a happy person who wrote a little something about my awesome usefull site.

    I dont know, but I guess your left with a scar because of shady stuff that you did before. I dont know realy. test it see what happens.

    I know its manual because I got a message in WMT. But there might be an algorithmic penalty as well. But i cannot know this as long the manual penalty is still in effect.

    Update:

    Site hasn't moved an inch, A few links disapeared in WMT but it might have nothing to do with disavow or the penalty since its only -1% of the total links.
     
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    Update

    Site is making a big drop now! Ranking where crap allready... but now keywords go like this.
    -29 -1 -27 -19 -19 -23 -8 -14 -13

    and more drops like this.

    Lets see what happens atleast something is happening. Cant hurt if it drops any further :) but hope it will get better now, since its a great site
     
  19. onemth

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    So basically you are still using blog networks,profiles,comments,web 2.0 , only difference is that you use lesser backlinks. Do you use any other kind of backlinks?
     
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    So if you're not ranking and you can't build links, what's the advantage of not being banned?