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Managing adult websites from Thailand, is this legal?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Doc Holiday, Jul 9, 2011.

  1. Doc Holiday

    Doc Holiday Registered Member

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    I am very interested to relocate in Thailand for a while, but there is maybe one problem.
    I am running some adult sites (like Porn Hub or Red Tube) with the difference that I am not hosting any of these videos, just embedding from sites like mentioned above.
    Here in my country in Europe this is perfectly legal, but what about laws in Thailand?
    Btw, these sites are hosted on VPS based in the US.

    I have read somewhere that pornography is illegal in Thailand, and also that internet providers filter web contents there.

    So, practicaly, I only need to maintain my websites that are hosted in the US, and not targeted to visitors in Thailand web, and has nothing related to Thailand, except I will need to update my websites from there.

    If someone is familiar with laws there, it would be nice if he share some informations with me.
     
  2. Autumn

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    Porn is most definitely illegal and also working without a work permit (which is quite hard to get) is very illegal and can be grounds for deportation. There are many porn operators in the country (mainly based in Pattaya) but they are allowed to work via payoffs to the boys in brown (the police).

    However in your situation it would be quite hard to catch you out - do all of your porn related stuff through an encrypted VPN or SSH connection and you would be fine. If no one knows, you can't get busted - so don't tell ANYONE, especially not local Thais.

    Don't even tell people that you run an internet business, or are a web developer etc - just say that you're on a long term holiday with saved funds.
     
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  3. Doc Holiday

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    Wow, you are fast. Thanks for your reply. My plan was to get ED visa (student visa) which allows me to stay one year while learning thai language. And after one year, this visa can be renewed again for one year. I realy didn't know I need a work permit to do online business. I mean who will check me when I pull my money through ATM? I have never payed any tax in my country on money earned in online business.
     
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    What you're proposing is totally fine, no one will snap you for withdrawing money from an ATM. You get snapped when people nark on you to the BiB... That includes expats, many of them will dob you in to get themselves out of trouble if they get caught with drugs, drink driving etc. Keep it all on the super down low and you'll be fine.
     
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  5. Doc Holiday

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    I understand you. It is best to keep quiet. What about checks? Because I have some source of income which I receive only by checks. Is it risky to cash in those in Thailand? Same question for wire transfers.
     
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    Checks are a tricky one, I haven't received a check in years thanks to epass / paxum etc so I can't comment. I don't know where you're from, but if you're already getting wires to your existing bank account I would keep it that way (and use your existing ATM card) rather than trusting any sizeable amount of money to the Thai banking system. You can open a Thai bank account relatively easily but I wouldn't use it for anything except the barest essentials.

    I am no financial expert, but if you want to avoid taxes (legally) and you're worried about continuing to use the bank account in your previous country, I would suggest looking into taking a sidetrip to Singapore and / or Hong Kong before you go to LoS to set up a tax free corporate account. Unlike Thailand, those countries have robust first world banking systems. Hong Kong corp plus Singapore bank account seems to be a popular combo.

    You might want to look up a guy who goes by the name of Dirty White Boy (I think he posts as DWB now) on GFY, he is an expert on all things Thai and has been really helpful to me in the past.
     
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  7. rippa911

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    Thanks for the information. I wanted to know this too for my country.
     
  8. Monrox

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    Just in case you missed the point - you can get deported for working illegally. But for porn you may get slapped with jail time. And while at it, why not make it 20 years to set an (yet another) example, courts needing to assert their independence even when it comes to foreign nationals & all?

    What makes living for an year in .th so pressing that you want to risk getting caught on something explicitly forbidden, even if the chance to be noticed at all is .001%?
     
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    i guess because its cheap to live out there? the party scene out there is amazing full moon partys and its an experience etc, i'd love to live out there

    plus this dudes got his business set up already so can go out there and live freely as long as hes careful
     
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  10. Autumn

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    The people who tend to get snapped for porn are the actual porn producers, and that's normally because they failed to pay (enough) to the right people. Even then, you can still buy your way out.

    For example: the guy who runs creampiethais.com et al (Tony I think his name is) got snapped a while ago in grand fashion. He had been running production really obviously in Pattaya for a long time and was apparently a real cunt to the girls, which didn't help matters. It was all over the news, evil farang pornographer violating innocent Thai youths etc. He was also caught with a gun, drugs etc.

    He got locked up for a while and there was a big song and dance, but then a quiet (large) paper bag full of money later and he was mysteriously free and nothing more was said about it. What was also mysterious was that all mention of it disappeared from the sites of several local newspapers. I heard that it cost him $40K but I have no idea if that's true or not.

    I've never heard of a regular adult webmaster who just runs sites (not production) getting in trouble, but that's not to say it wouldn't happen if you didn't keep your mouth shut. And a Thai jail is definitely not somewhere you ever want to be!
     
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  11. humpfdi

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    Thats bullshit...who knows that you work ? Working in Thailand is if you own a bar ore something like that. That they are looking for nothing else. If you are there and cant provide wife AND Enough Savings..earlier it was 1.500.000 Baht you dont get an 1 year non-immigrant visa so you need and B-Buisness Visa which is valid 3 months. I sent my passport from province to BKK that send it to malaysia and then back. Worked fine...costs me 1500 Baht each travel. So keep money trackings clean and you can sit 24h a day in front of the pc and making cash. In case which i couldnt imagine you get catched a few thousand bucks fix the problem.
    There are many in this buisness in SEA manly Phillipines and Thailand so dont worry to much.

    And say you live from savings thats allways accepted from the thais..even from the Police . Girlfriend of mine made weapon license and i was with her...from her they took the fingerprints eg. and only asked what im doing... ue shoy shoy...chiling ^^ Nothing special for them. They are used to that foreigners come with money and often go back without :) So working permit is only required if you are visible working and are doing a job a thai could do..
     
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    as we say here in Ireland loose tongues sink ships lol anyway theres always going to be jealous ppl were ever you go, its always best to keep your business to yourself especially if your in a foreign country, unless its a close friend or relative i usually keep my cards close
     
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    Well you can fix a lot of things with money...but gun and drugs and pornograpy i doubt that 40k would fix that. Normaly after such an incident
    you get blacklisted and are not allowed to enter the country for 5 years.

    The sytem with bribes etc. works like that becouse 50% of all fines stay at the police and is distributed like a pyramid under them.

    If you go to pattaya and make porn you should connect to the police before producing and place money, i could imagine then you have nothing to fear. But i would personally suggest an ohter country for that :) Thai jail is counted 3 times then normal jail 1 year thai = 3 years us or eu ^^
     
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    and especailly not the faraang community there...you landsmen ..they are most jeallous under each other. That you have more to fear then thais if you are doing some critical things.
     
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    Send em to the country where you come from and you should keep bank account there. Then from time to time you wire to thailand or use ATM in Thailand which card from homecountry. Would be safest.
     
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    hmmm I can't remember where I got the $40K from, but a bit of Googling suggests that $150K or so may have been the magic number.

    http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Pattaya-Pornographer.htm
     
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    Just get vps and operate trough it. No one will ever know. Also you are having the business in your home country and if you take the money there you should have no problem. I bet there is lots of foreign business men who need check their emails and maybe take care of their business. as said if someone ask tell them your on vacation. Its not their business how many $ you have on your bank account at your home.
     
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    What I want to know is, how the hell is a bit of pr0n illegal when thailand has arguably the most thriving prostitute scene on the planet. You can literally fulfil your wildest asian fantasy out there with up to 10 girls at a time if you want, but porn is illegal?!?!
     
  20. Doc Holiday

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    Yes, that's funny, but that's the way it is. In my country this kind of porn sites which I own are legal, but unlike Thailand, you are unlikely to see prostitutes on the street here. Strange world...