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Making Piracy legal

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Roparadise, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    If Someone were able to successfully lobby a small nation to make it perfectly legal to pirate things. Would committing piracy there immune to lawsuits?
     
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    international law would be used to stop the piracy ... you will always have rogue nations willing to deal with them but when assets and bank accounts get frozen it will get pretty tough

    JQ
     
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    But correct me if im wrong. China and several other countries can pirate whatever they want. Without ramifications
     
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    No,they do have laws against piracy.
     
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    Yes your right. I guess it was not enforced well in there country.
     
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    sweden or switzerland one of the two has a Pirate Party and in hopes of getting their candidate elected anonymous hacked the ballot site cause they had an online voting thing messed up the election. and it threw out the party candidate their platform was a free and open share of knowledge and what not
     
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    So you want minimum government interference on what you do?

    No problem ... just move to Somalia.

    Of course, your life expectancy will be next Tuesday.
     
  8. Jonny Quick

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    What's your definition of the word "piracy"?

    Remember what Great Britain did about the Falklands?
     
  9. Roparadise

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    I meant being able to torrent as mich as u want without a lawsuiit. Not robbing ships on the seas lol.
     
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    What has that got to do with anything in this thread?
    I used to host stuff in Mongolia when I did things like that. They took forever to respond to anything so even though
    they were complying with International law, it took 10 times as long as any other country to shut you down.
     
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    But that's the problem. Big Corp has done its rhetorical snow job on our understanding of the issue, getting us all to confuse the word "piracy" (historically murder and kidnapping on the high seas) with sharing digital files with friends. What if you don't think file sharing is the same thing as murder and kidnapping on the high seas? Yet that word magic colors the whole conversation, at the expense of a more reasonable description of the matter, and has helped lead to the criminalizing laws in the first place.
     
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    Good question. First, it has to do with defining the word "piracy" and exactly what type of activity we're talking about. There are certain things that a country will go to war over, so if the OP is thinking about forming his own "Sealand" and thinks he can then do "whatever he wants", he needs to think about the possibility that some neighboring country will simply declare war on him and kill him.

    Just like Great Britain did over the Falklands, and if it comes down to it, they'll do the same to Sealand.

    If Sealand starts funneling money into Al Quaeda or the IRA (if it goes active again), do you think Great Britain is going to "respect their sovereignity"? Answer no. They are going to find some legal means to show up with guns, take the place over and kill or incarcerate everyone involved.

    The idea that there is some kind of geographical "safe place" for undesired and/or internationally illegal activity is a dumb one, is my point. No matter where you go, there will always be someone willing to use brute force to stop you from doing what they don't like, or make you do what they want.

    The Pirate Bay is dead now. They only host "legal" torrents. And Google hasn't yet explained how it is that they can host a "thumbnail" of a copyright image, but BTJunkie can't host a torrent file that ISN'T copyrighted.

    Anyways, we don't want torrents to be legal. Then everyone on the planet would be doing it, instead of people that are willing to take on a certain amount of risk. Fortune favors the bold.

    Okay, so while I'm on a roll here I'll throw out one of my many "million dollar ideas", which is that the real money on torrents is in porn, because there is no one doing the job correctly anymore. Empornium used to do it, but they are out of business now, and Cheggit is a really poor replacement. And Empornium wasn't all that great, either, merely adequate. In my opinion, there is a big huge void in the porn industry that is going to be filled someday by someone that has the correct vision with regard to porn, which is that everyone wants it, and no one wants to pay for it.

    A well-organized, clean-looking site (no retarded red text on black background), with high-quality search features, User-uploaded content, that are well-indexed, accurate and easy-to-find, and maybe a private, paid-only Member section, and there will be no end of hits on the site. As long as the site doesn't violate people's limit on the kind of marketing bullshit they are willing to put up with (page hijacking, disabling the back-button, loud noises from pages that you cannot turn off, etc...) every middle-class suburbanite on the planet will be browsing "jonnyquickstorrentporn.com" every day after work, downloading their evening's entertainment in the safety and the comfort of their own home, while their wife washes the dishes in the kitchen, completely unaware of what hubby is up to.

    Or whatever. Everyone is different, and yet, they all want the same thing. This.
     
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    Its not allowed to talk about political stuff but i will give you a small hint.You dont need to buy an isle to create a place with your own laws.You need to read the UN Charta.

    If you host in a country where piracy is legal it doesnt mean it will be legal for you since you dont live in china and you dont have a chinese passport.It depends on the country where you live as in some countries its just imortant where you live and in some country its important where the server is located
     
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    The Chinese put on a show every once in a while when a US manufacturer calls the White House and the WH calls the Chinese Premier ... and you read about a crackdown ... you wonder sometimes if the Original does not get a piece of the counterfeit monies as well.

    The other thing is depends on the goods .. if they are US Defense Department parts .. nuts and bolts then they will be a heavier hand .. but if it is Hello Kitty who really gives a sh#t ...
     
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    So if I use a place in Mongolia for a torrent seeder and I have several backup servers throughout Mongolia under different names I shouldn't have a problem, especially if its not torrents of files owned by big companies such as CBS or WB that make complaints all the times.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that man. Believe me or not (I wouldn't blame you if you don't, I'm a low post count noob here) a few years ago I used to help 2 of the biggest pirating websites on the internet. Not sure if I can name them here, but the smaller one currently has 300,000+ members IIIRC, and the other one is well over 2,000,000. As far as it was understood in the pirating community, as long as you were hosting the site offshore, nobody could touch you
     
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    Did u know that the "pirates" in Germany are more than 11% now in the latest selection ;)