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Making Money with Ad & Traffic Arbitrage $700 to $100k

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by se900se, May 16, 2016.

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  1. se900se

    se900se Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    DigitalOcean has wordpress one-click install
    It is better to have reliable hosting, especially if you're going to send volume of traffic

    Thanks a lot! I am here to help with advice, wish you luck and success!

    movie and health look more promising to me, even though game & anime also very popular I personally wouldn't use this topics

    got it, thanks!

    I completely understand and probably you not only one, there's a lot of people coming to this thread with idea to find a secret or a treasure, but I will repeat again - every network performs differently on different sites. I have one networks that brings $150+ a day on one site and $20-$30 on another. If I provide info about networks I work with you wouldn't get same result, therefore I don't want to provide false info. Also pay attention to network requirements, as some of them can accept site with 5k others with 10 millions, some of them want US traffic while other want UK, so by providing any name here I would just confuse even more - I do not know your site, what its about, your traffic, geo's etc. One the good networks I worked with is OutBrain, some days they brought $650, CPM was around $7-$10, and Outbrain is native ad network, that can be used along with display ads etc.

    It doesn't really matter what is the name of the network that you work with.
    What is really has big importance is: they pay

    1. Check if that ad network actually pays.
    There's so much scam out there, google name of the networks, read reviews, if they don't pay or if there other issues most of the time you fill this info. One of the very big companies owe's me $8,000 and there's nothing I can do, they promise to pay, but It's been a year now.

    2. You want to make sure that they provide you a good fill-rate
    Network may promise very good CPM but buy only few of your users, or monetize them but not pay to you.
    Just recently I was working with a video ad company, for over 3 days I gave them 56k impressions, but they monetized only 225.

    3. Negotiate your CPM rate with network representative.
    $1 CPM is good rate especially if you starting and you may request higher bid later on.

    Because this thread received a good spread and may users got interested in this topic I decided to write basic tutorial about Traffic Arbitrage with steps and some explanations. Its almost done and I will share it with you guys soon!

    mm?
     
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  2. sidaz

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    so where you buy traffic to your website ?
     
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    Best network traffic for Adsense ?
     
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    thanks 4 share
     
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    Hi OP, thanks for sharing. This is new for me.

    1) Do you initially have the technical knowledge to create the website? Or do you outsource it usually?

    2) Does all your content have a "Click Bait" style of headlines?

    3) Do you have a recommended theme to follow (in terms of the design?)
     
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    Wow really? The most profitable platform is also the one you wouldn't recommend?
     
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    Which networks didn't pay you or basically which one would you not recommend to use for buying and selling?
     
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    I do a mix of Facebook/AdWords, Native ad companies like OutBrain and some other traffic sellers with average price, but IAS filter.
    I got all of them here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/media-buying/642753-huge-list-traffic-sources.html

    No such thing

    happy to help!

    1. I already had a knowledge, but I actually bought site with 30 articles when I started from one of the sellers on BHW.

    2. My articles have headlines related to what the article is about, its not like 'you won't believe what happened next'.

    3. Make sure that theme you choose has fast load speed as ads will slow it down.

    Really. Try yourself let me know when you banned).
    I explained in this thread few times why AdSense is not good, at least for me.

    I would prefer not give their names here for many reasons including legal, but usually companies that failed to pay at least once have reviews about it, so before you apply search for this particular network reviews. Some networks do not pay and they have a good reason for that - fraud, others just steal your money. Do not go with networks that just came out yesterday, if you google for best networks you will see a list or you can use this one: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/media-buying/642753-huge-list-traffic-sources.html
     
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    my problem is different , how can you get the traffic with low bid ? like if you use CPC, you need to get like 0.01C/click ,then 1000 IP take you $10 , but that seem like impossable for me , how you get traffic with that cheap price ?

    or can you share how you can get that cheap traffic with facebook or any other network , I mean middle network , not bot network
     
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    bro this kind of method is good for adsense? please if good for adsense share it to me
     
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    What do you mean? you buy traffic and sell it? Can you be more specific?
     
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    Traffic networks work this way: they either sell bot traffic which is generated by software - and this is total scam or they own a site or sites where you get lots of popups and redirects. Try to open any torrent site - after you browse a little you will get 10 open windows to different sites. Thats how its being generated. It's very cheap as in most of the cases user closes open windows and do not see the site that was opened.

    adsense is risky system, they may not pay you
    i work with other companies, alternatives to adsense

    exactly, i buy traffic and sell it as commodity

    what's your question?
    DFP or other ad server is inevitable part of ROI
     
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    thanks for reply , that traffic network you get hits from there can do with CPM ? you sure that ?
    do that CPM network allow this kind of pop traffic ? I mean the quality are really low , and you still can make money with it ?
     
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    i don't use bot traffic and i don't suggest you do that, i suggest to work on a proper site, with proper materials with proper traffic
    bad quality traffic won't be accepted, good will be
     
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    so you are saying that pop traffic wont be accepted. so you buy redirect traffic or you just use facebook ads? (cuz if thats the case you are spending to much on ads) can you please explain what kind of the traffic you use . i mean redirect traffic from expired domain or something similar ?
     
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    Thanks for the info. Looking forward to your tutorial about Traffic Arbitrage with steps and some explanations.
     
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    He asked about popunders, not bot :)
     
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    Could you please share the names of the 2 pinterest plugins you use to update your site? I have SNAP on my site.
     
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    do you doing the same thing ? CPM ?
     
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    Not only is this thread a total cluster f..k of information, but most of the information is simply wrong!

    1. Set up a site with a viral theme and add content that is likely to be shared on social networks.

    2. Add adsense (suggesting not to use adsense is hilarious) in strategic places - look at similar sites for ideas.

    3. Add 2-3 CPM banners for additional revenue :)

    4. Add popunders for additional revenue, few sites do this, but some do.

    5. Add widgets from Native ad networks - they either pay on CPC or CPM.

    Now you are ready to purchase your first batch of traffic. Start with a budget that you can afford to burn without any income :) Because odds are that you will fail. Here is what you should have done instead....

    1. Set up a site with a viral theme and add images and/or videos that is likely to be shared on social networks. Cute or funny animals, cars, mansions and boats works very well. Make the posts pagninated. For example, make a "10 of the most expensive cars in the world" or "12 cute kittens that will make you laugh" The idea is to make each visitor browse as many pages as possible (to profit from CPM banners)

    Make sure to add social share buttons as well.

    2. Add adsense below each image, use the 728x90 with the "arrow in the ad" note the Google is playing around with the "Nessie" arrow, so it might not be consistent.

    3. Add 2-3 CPM banners for additional revenue :)

    4. Add popunders for additional revenue, few sites do this, but some do.

    5. Add widgets from Native ad networks - they either pay on CPC or CPM.

    Now its time to buy traffic.... :)

    First of all.... Do NOT buy traffic from fiverr or similar services - its garbage and it WILL NOT CONVERT! I recommend to buy from Native Ad networks, for several reasons;

    1. The user have already showed that he/she is willing to click ads

    2. The user is interested in your post - provided your ad headline and image matches your post.

    Lets do some math....

    Lets assume that you pay $0.02 CPC - that equates to $20 per 1000 visitors. Lets also assume that you are able to earn an RPM (Revenue Per Mile) of $5 with all your ads combined.

    The above scenario would put you at a $15 loss, if each purchased visitor only visited 1 page. This is why I suggested to make your post pagniated - to make each user browse as many pages as possible.

    In a perfect world "10 Mansions You Wont Believe People Are Actually Living In" would yield 10 pageviews per purchased visitor, thus giving you a revenue of $50 - provided your RPM was $5. Nothing is perfect though :(

    You will have to rely on free traffic from social shares and also from returning visitors.

    Another trick is that your post should leave the visitor with 2 options;

    1. Click on "Next"

    2. Click on ads. Here is a great example: http://www.glXXms.com/1696011/unbelievable-paintjobs-ruin-supercars/ the page is practically one big advertisement :) XX = ee in the link above.

    See the 728x90 adsense just below the image? I bet you that, that was a "Nessie" arrow before Google started to play around with it. Those ads could yield RPMs of $40 :)

    Surprisingly traffic from India, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc also works well. I talk to many of the owners of the arbitrage sites (I manage a small native network) and just yesterday I got a mail from a site owner asking if I could deliver 20K visitors a day from India to his arbitrage site. He already bought from Outbrain, but was looking to scale it further than Outbrain could supply. Sadly I had to turn him down :(

    He had one of those "histats" counter badges on his site, so I was able to verify the numbers he told me, indeed he bought India traffic from Outbrain. Average pageview per user was almost 8 pages. He received no traffic from social media. He got around 1k direct hits a day besides the Outbrain visitors. his domain was registred a week ago. He only had 8 posts on his site, buying traffic to all 8 posts.

    Thats basically it.
     
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