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Making a SEO Business but outsourcing the actual SEO.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Keesief, May 21, 2012.

  1. Keesief

    Keesief Junior Member

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    Hey guys, I have this plan about starting a local SEO Business,

    There have been alot of great services for sale on blackhat forum.

    Also, I know stuff about SEO, read alot of stuff about it, just never had the time to actually get into it myself, simply didn't want to invest time or money.

    Anyways, I'm planning on doing Google Places and SEO.

    Anyone had experience outsourcing one of these and making a company out of these?


    Kind regards, Kees.
     
  2. RedOctobre

    RedOctobre Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    From a big-business perspective it's usually best to have VA's (virtual assistants) who can do the work day in day out, though they can be a little expensive for some at first ($300 - $400/month USD).

    Especially since, if a given service suddenly goes offline, you may be scrambling for an alternative.

    However, if you find a stable service that offers what you need to get done, and reliably so, for a reasonable price, go ahead and use 'em. Your MAIN area of focus needs to be how you present the services to the client, as that'll make the major difference.

    Because hey, if you land a decently-sized contract, your scope of what you can afford will broaden.

    Just know what service(s) you plan to use from the start, don't over think it, and then dive into the client-facing side of your business. How you present your offer, the exact service(s) you offer, your pricing structure, etc.

    Red
     
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  3. Keesief

    Keesief Junior Member

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    Thanks for stating not to over-think it, however, also don't under-think it.

    Like I said, I want to be using the services for sale here at http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/f43-buy-sell-services/
    I think they are quite reliable since they get reviewed and updated often. Anyone experience with using these on a client and then getting the cash yourself?
     
  4. christianbed

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    I'm interested in knowing whether anyone has done this with Hubshout?
     
  5. Keesief

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    It's a pity Hubshout is only for the US (I believe). Also they don't state their prices. I hope someone can post some info.
     
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    If you don't know how to rank sites in very competitive niches every time, don't even think about trying to outsource SEO.
    You have to learn what you're doing first...
     
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  7. goodseoman

    goodseoman Power Member Premium Member

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    This.
    You may learn how to talk and to look like a so-called seo-guru but the result is the only one thing you must care about. Clients would fire any guru after max 3 months without result no matter how much you talk like Matt Cun. If you choose this type, it's not a seo company, it's a trader, a SALES, not SEO career.
    If you can rank some competitive keywords, especially seo related ones, that's the strongest and the most persuasive proofs, far away from stupid fake testimonials. you would get respect from seo community and most of all, potential clients.
    best wishes with your seo career.
     
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    goodseoman Power Member Premium Member

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    This.
    You may learn how to talk and to look like a so-called seo-guru but the result is the only one thing you must care about. Clients would fire any guru after max 3 months without result no matter how much you talk like Matt Cun. If you choose this type, it's not a seo company, it's a trader, a SALES, not SEO career.
    If you can rank some competitive keywords, especially seo related ones, that's the strongest and the most persuasive proofs, far away from stupid fake testimonials. you would get respect from seo community and most of all, potential clients. Ask youself if that's what you want?
    best wishes with your seo career.
     
  9. Balthazshar

    Balthazshar Junior Member

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    Honestly? Rank your own site first, in your city and in your region. Then take 2-3 industries, and build generic sites and rank those to page 1 position 1. Then when you go talk to clients, you have your proof in the back pocket. Over and over, I have had prospective clients come to me because I was already first in the region for SEO in the big 3 search engines, and I used my "model" sites to show what I could do - the proof is in the pudding. The rest my friend, is just pure b.s. sales talk.
     
  10. Keesief

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    I am just starting with zero capital to invest, how do you do your SEO, do you use any blackhat services? Or manual labor all over again? I don't want a big SEO business by the way, just a side thing with maybe 2 or 3 clients which I will use blackhat services on.

    Any thoughts about this?
     
  11. tadoow

    tadoow Newbie

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    For Google try seoreseller it's not expensive for the service that they offer.
     
  12. Halilovic-Squad

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    you really should go and learn some more about seo - at least on the theoretical side. better than that you should go and rank a personal test-site. you won`t need a budget for that really...
    ...as you will never succeed in selling something you don`t really have a clue about. even if you only target small, local buisnesses.

    as you focus on buying services - how will you judge if a service really fits your needs or was worth the money without knowing seo good enough?
    you will end up blasting money away etc.

    get prepared a little better before you try to approach that field.
     
  13. AlexMit

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    Yep, learn SEO.
    You'll pass quite long and hard way, but you'll gather lot's of useful info and simple things.

    Simple is hard, hard is simple.

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    You _must_ be able to guarantee results. What results? You decide. Rankings / Traffic / Sales - it's your choice.
     
  14. danmyson

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    I am trying the same venture. Of course you need to learn about seo, or you will be supplying products to clients that are worthless. You need to decide whether you are going to be some kind of fly by night, trying to gain 3 months of income before your clients site is trashed and you move on to claim more victims. Or the guy that is looking ahead for the client and trying to promote their business effectively.You will be the first kind of guy, buying forum packages and guaranteed packages of any kind. Short term benefits.
    So what to do. My way was to learn what links are effective, and move into something I call P.C.P, Proper Company Promotion. I look to promote clients effectively, the seo then looks after itself. Quality press releases create good long term links and buzz. Non spun article links from the big guys, eg Ezine, create strong links as long as you have diversity to your portfolio. Manual web 2.0 properties that have UNIQUE content on them, and promo vids that you can have created, blog posts from niche related sites that are REAL blogs, not from some blog farm with massively unreal pr value that are created with unique 1000 or more posts linking back to your clients site. Everything written content wise should be promoting a product, service or giving useful information within your clients market place. This is what SEO is nowadays, actual marketing. How do you do this, you need to hire VA's that can handle this kind of work, as opposed to va's who just want to sit at a desk using software and spun shite. You can then utilise the va's as you gain clients. The work you do will then stand out as it will be long term and bring value to the clients site and business. You will then find you get recommended within certain business circles etc.
    STAY AWAY FROM RE SELLING PACKS OF LINKS. THEY ARE ALL SHORT TERM!!!!!!!! Stay away from anything with spun in it!!!!! Never link to high pr sites that are not even ranking, where has this pr come from?????? Remember one good niche related blog post, from a genuine blog with authority, ranking, and real pr is worth more than an entire blast of fake high pr spam.
    Here's hoping this is of use to you.
     
  15. jr_sci

    jr_sci Senior Member

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    You need to trust yourself that you can get a decent ROI before asking your clients to invest on your work.
     
  16. Simas9

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    The industry will mess you up faaast if you are not willing to 'get into it yourself,'. There are no shortcuts here. Ditch those pipe dreams or get serious otherwise you`ll end up paying 40 bucks for some directory submissions for you client.