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Majestic for expired domains dead now?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zacatictac, Oct 19, 2016.

  1. zacatictac

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    It seems that if a url is no longer available on a website (the website is expired so the links all 404) Majestic will mark its backlinks as deleted whether or not they exist or not still.

    "It is likely (if the link is still there for you) that our bot was unable to get back to the page in question, in which case we have to assume that the links on that page are also irrelevent/deleted."
    Link to quote: https://blog.majestic.com/development/trust-flow-yo-yo-algorithm-update-majestic/

    This causes a huge issue as this will drastically drop the metrics on a domain with great backlinks still there.

    Maybe I'm wrong but that makes our lives a little bit harder trying to determine if an expired domain is worthwhile or not. Majestic's new update just seems pretty shit.
     
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    Let me read through the article and see for myself. If true, this surely means another website offering same service is needed
     
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  3. zacatictac

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    Thank's the author states this in a comment not int he article itself. But the article itself is just as troubling. They are basically saying buying domains based on the www. metrics is shit and you should only use the non www.
     
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    I know this first hand because a bunch of my domains dropped in TF. I checked them via Majestic again and it said a bunch of backlinks had been deleted. Well they were all still there but majestic had just marked them as deleted. So my previously TF 28 domain had dropped to TF 10 according to Majestic, with all the same backlinks. How are we going to be able to tell the real value of a domain now? I guess MOZ metrics will be the real deciding factor now.
     
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    Who cares about TF ! TF is not a google metric it is a Majestic. Use Backlink Checkers only to find external links and do the check yourself.

    If you depend on TF/CF/DA/PA be it with www or root. You are doing wrong. For some instance you might find a good Metric domain giving positive serps but that does not mean the domain's metric is behind it
     
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    @zacatictac if you believe links profile is fresh and still has the same no then why you are worries about TF. They are just trying to ruin the PBN business i guess. You can find my comment on that page also where i wrote the same thing. But in case if you are selling links or building PBN to your client then you need to explain them properly. I guess it becomes the problem who are selling links in bulk packages.
     
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    The blog post was essentially saying not to use www.domain as it does not encompass all page level information and that you should use the non www. variant as it will incorporate all information for the domain as a whole.

    The issue I have with this is that you would expect a domain with lots of high stat pages to have a TF for the domain higher than it's internal pages but it just doesn't.

    What this means is that currently Majestic stats are slightly fucked. The author was doing his best to piss off anyone who dared to comment on the post and giving an all-round terrible impression of them as a whole, which is a real shame as I like Majestic and how they do things.

    I would much prefer Majestic just fucking cave and give a standard set of stats for a domain and give it something original like, err... I dunno... domain trust flow. That would make the whole thing so fucking simple and there would be no question as to what people were referencing as domain buyers or sellers. Currently if someone says they have a DA 50 domain you know that domain has a Domain Authority of 50, if they say it has a TF of 50 you have no clue if that is the root domain, it's www. variant or whatever.

    I'm sure they are aware of how mad the situation is as they have already removed the blog post.

    Bit of a clusterfuck and easily avoided.
     
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    Yeah this seems it but why the fuck do they care if people using their service are doing so to buy and sell links? I pay them a huge amount every month to get their stats in my domaining software, if they don't want my money that is fine I will remove it and start sending my money towards Ahrefs.

    The sad / funny thing is that it wasn't that long ago that Moz had a sudden fall from grace and now the vast majority of people are moving away from using Moz entirely. There are things I would change about Majestic but ultimately they are a pretty decent service overall, I just hope this turns into nothing or they change back whatever they are doing.
     
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    People buying /selling links and buying / selling domains care, they care a lot. The metrics themselves are not the be all and end all of the worth of a domain but they give a good overview without having to do tons of research on every single domain.

    If a link seller says they have a PBN with all domains having a TF50+ you know they are not fucking around and that the network is likely made up of decent domains without having to do too much more digging.
     
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    Exactly. Trying to find PBN domains with Majestic seems like its now to be a pointless endeavor. If they delete the backlinks regardless of them being there now then all expired domains are just going to have shit metrics. It will be like a needle in a haystack now if using majestic metrics. It maybe useful on fresh drops where they haven't had time to re-crawl and see the pages 404, but on domains that have been expired for a while it sounds as if their metrics will be completely worthless.
     
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    Agreed completely. Even author openly accepted this fact about PBN. Still i need to use it because as you say its a decent one.

    You shoot the point. Its just a metrics, i know and i agreed. Even i said the same things on other thread as well. But it works for them who build their links own. But its a big term when it comes to the point of business. Buyer and seller both rely on these TF, CF, PA, DA and all.
     
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    Hi my concern wasn't so much for my current domains as I understand they are the same. It was more for finding new ones with majestic metrics. It seems as if MOZ is going to rise again. Also sucks for me since a lot of my domains held most of their power on the www. version. But who knows what google values most, I will keep them in my PBN anyways.
     
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    Oh got it, yes but i don't like OSE as they show very little link data.
     
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    Agreed, which is why so many people put more value in Majestic metrics than MOZ. My plan now is to just not ignore expired domains with low Majestic metrics in my searches. I think finding valuable domains will now come down to using Moz as a base metric (higher DA and PA) than checking each backlink via Majestic (regardless of the domains TF) to see whether or not its still there regardless of it saying deleted. Also I guess no more looking at the www. version either. More work to do now for people in the PBN business :/
     
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    @zacatictac yes we can do in this way. If a domain has more than 20-30 ref. domain we normally didn't check all. Check few links, anchor cloud and previous history. That TF is the basic indicator tofor me to understand how good the links are. But we have to check as links as possible to understand the value and cleanliness of link profile. Yes agreed more work to do now for people in PBN business. Let's see how expert will sort it out.
     
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    I've been using Ahrefs solely for my pbn domain searching/scraping.

    I don't give two hoots about TF/CF or DA/PA.

    I look at the backlinks the domains have. If they're clean, spam-free with good powerful backlinks. RD >10.. i will just grab it and use them... And they're doing well for me :)
     
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    Solid. Sounds like I'll have to check them out.
     
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    Third party metrics are "third party" metrics. Trust your eyes, see the backlinks for yourself and believe, no other option. Even earlier I used to use majestic only to check the anchor text, ratio, see backlinks etc. I have been following this since I had a very bad experience with one of my auction purchased domains. Majestic kept telling me it had a TF of only 9 while in actuality few of the gov sites that was linking to this domain was blocking all bots except search bots. That domain actually had more than 200+ RD and 800+ backlinks with edu & gov links in double digits. Since then I just stopped trust them.
     
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    I agree with you, but the question is how you determine whether the particular domain is good or bad.
    Is it helping in increasing your ranks or not? We should take some or other features to measure the backlinks quality, earlier it was page rank now what ...