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Low OBL? Don't Make Make Me Laugh

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  1. SnoopyDrew

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    Anybody else find it hilarious when people are selling links and they say. "My blogs have low OBL of around 30-40". I am thinking to myself, how is that considered to be low? I wouldn't buy anything with higher than 10 OBL in my opinion. It cracks me up whenever somebody says this.
     
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    That's why it's called "opinion"
     
  3. Charly The Rabbit

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    What is OBL? Sorry I just enter to ask, I never heard that before
     
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    What that's not sketchy to you if a blog that is connected to your money site has 40 OBL? Please elaborate because that just seems way too risky to me, I might use them for tier two but that's it.
     
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    The marketplace is filled with such threads, this is nothing when you compare it with threads like: "Google-friendly", "Penguin, Panda or any other animal friendly", "White Hat only (and they are still selling links lol)", etc... Or you want to buy an article and the thread itself has so many grammatical errors that you would be better off writing the article yourself instead of outsourcing it to some Indian content mill (no offense to Indians of course).

    And my favorite - you buy PBN links that are considered the safest around from any seller when we all know those PUBLIC networks are a time-bomb waiting to explode once a Google employee (disguised as a BHW member) gets access to them. So yeah, of course sellers will do anything and say anything to sell their services - just do your due diligence and if you think 40-OBL links are not good for your money site (they are NOT, even 10 are a lot), move on and don't buy.
     
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    everything is relative ..... for a service its really ok i think. if you scrape yourself ....sure you can find better.
     
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    True that, though I always feel the need to warn people about this. Sometimes I just feel like a good percentage of these sales threads are just to make a quick buck off a newbie. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of excellent services on here. I just laugh when people say "these are the safest links on BHW with ONLY 40 OBL".

    Yeah 10 is still a bit much but its the highest I would go. Still might only use for tier 2.
     
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    While I agree with what you are saying for the most part it really depends what you are going for.

    If you are looking for some quality links to diversify some web2.0 accounts or sites lower down in a tiered PBN then an OBL of 30-40 is not huge but if you are looking for links direct to your money site then you likely would not consider 30+ links to be low OBL.

    If however the service states low OBL and does not qualify exactly what they consider low OBL to be then people would be better served just staying away.
     
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    It really depends. Some of my niches (TV/Movies, for example) have many websites you could link to. Imdb, Boxofficemojo, Rottentomatoes, Tv.com, Wikipedia, Amazon, etc., so to write articles about said topics I would include the occasional link to one of the aforementioned websites. In doing so, some of them would end up with 10+ links out to authority websites in the niche, and my own website in the odd article or two. So 10+ links doesn't necessarily mean high or low, depending on who they link to.
     
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    40 OBL is really really low.

    40 OBL divided by the whole site is actually quite low if you compare an average website, in fact, what most people in this forum consider to be the best links (magazines, news, etc) are also sites with dozens of millions of OBL, now isn't that quite ironic?
     
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    OBL means outbound links and refers to the number of links a PAGE is pointing to, not to the total number of links a website is linking out to. When you get a link from an article written on a magazine/news site, that article will have at max. 5-10 other links except your money site, which usually are popular sites (Wikipedia/Amazon/government/research sites, etc...) as well as other authority sites in your niche. Where did you derive the "dozens of millions of OBL" from?!
     
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    I agree that 20-30 isn't what you'd call "low OBL" but... if they are selling for $1/link then you have to assume its relative. You shouldn't be using $1/link 30 OBL links to your money site anyway, frankly. I've shopped BHW's marketplace a lot to buy links for various outsourced projects, friends, and whatever. For a quality tier one PBN network I definitely think it should be under 20, no question. And in the teens is nice, under 15 and you're in ELITE company honestly. You won't find an OBL of less than 10 unless you are subscribing to a monthly fee network frankly. And even then its unlikely you'll find it. At that point just build your own network if you're that picky, I say.

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    Sure you can have a page that has a boatload of OBLs and it still have value to the sites to which it is linking if the OBL site has authority.

    How many of you have paid for links from Wikipedia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell

    Would you say this is a spammy page because of all the different OBLs?

    I'd take a link from that page to my sites and would not look back and so would most of you. There are times a site or page with a bunch of OBLs are just fine to associate with and often a good link for your site.
     
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    Yes, and it's especially a fucking rip off when they promise a certain OBL yet when you see the page (after it shows up on WMT, because we don't get reports anymore) its filled with all kinds of clearly obvious spam. Not to mention dirty anchor text links to viagra, ugg boots, ecigs and forex bullshit which will get you slapped if you're really unlucky. Same goes for "high quality blog comments" which are raped within a few months even if the OBLs are acceptable at the time you get links posted.
     
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    I highly doubt any website actually has more than 5 OBL per PBN Post I mean, most people here write 1 post per link so it's not like they'd hijack your post to add other random links in there.
     
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    Well to be fair he is talking about PBNs. You're talking about Wikipedia, one of the biggest authorities in the history of the internet with millions of pages. These are two very different things. The problem with high OBL on a PBN is that its ratio of pages on the site to outbound links is too high. If a PBN had thousands of pages of unique content then I'd say 30 wouldn't be a bad OBL ( it'd be great actualy), but lets be honest here... most PBNs have about the same number of OBL as they have total pages in the site... plus maybe a handful of pages. I have no problem with a true authority site or large guest blog being sold with a high OBL, but for a PBN it is a different story.

    What sellers should think about disclosing is the ratio of pages on a site to links on that site. But since PBNs all follow roughly the same avenue we can pretty much use OBL as that for now. What I want to avoid is buying a PBN that has 75 pages total and 50 OBLs.

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    That is 100% correct; I just thought it would be good to put out some perspective that a page or site with a ton of outbound links is not necessarily bad but for tier one links there needs to be a ratio between authority of the site and the OBLs.

    I don't think I have looked at any sellers selling PBN links in 6 months so I am not the guy to have any comment on them as that is typically not part of my SEO strategies but I would not discount their offers without having a look under the hood and seeing what kind of metrics we were dealing with should I have an interest.
     
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    A seller also needs to make some money. So when someone says 40 OBL then that is the time he would have made enough profit after all the running expenditure. Secondly, there are services which offer 10 OBL in a blog. They are monthly subscriptions with domains picked up from auctions which are gems. So, it all depends on the ROI of the buyer (whether a monthly subscription is affordable) and not on what the seller sells or his/her selling point is.
     
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    Totally agreed. OBL being high is DEFINITELY not a universal bad sign. In fact for large authority sites it can be a good sign that they are growing. Its just one metric anyway, and like you pint out its highly relitive.

    I've noticed that a lot of PBNs also try to artificially goose up their metrics in general, PA/DA as well... so a PBN that looks like its within 15 points of a real authority site in terms of PA/DA might really be nowhere near that close to being as valuable. But that's the problem with metrics. As soon as they are created, there are guys looking to game the system on them.
     
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