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LinkWheel ==> Deindex???

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by blackhaze, Jun 25, 2009.

  1. blackhaze

    blackhaze Power Member

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    Someone was freaking and claiming making a simple linkwheel would deindex sites.

    Now....even SIMPLER question...if this were the case:

    What would stop anyone to build a simple L/W...takes about 15mins tops...and deindex competing sites?

    Thats why i dont believe that a simple Linkwheel would cause google to deindex. Also..that poster said the problem is that g..gle would always find out because the link is closed/looped.

    Whats your thoughts?

    Whats your results with some simpler L/W...did you see your SERPs and rankings increased?

    bh

    by the way...to make it clear..i dont even consider this black-hat..everyone having a few sites will sooner or later link them, somehow. Or make squidoos, bloggers..and link them to their page? Its light gray-hat IMHO, at best.
     
  2. 4alllifestyles

    4alllifestyles Junior Member

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    I do believe that if simple linkwheels caused deindexing that there would be hundreds of threads and thousands of posts about that.

    But more to the point.. NOBODY as "pure" linkwheels. Sites gain links naturally anyway and with the variety of bookmarking accounts, etc. I doubt that a "pure" linkwheel stays that way very long.

    The real trick (IMHO) is to purposely build FLAWED linkwheels. Like stacks of linkwheels where random "spokes" connect between the linkwheels themselves. With random links to the outside of every linkwheel. With random linkwheels connected to completely different sites.

    In looking at how my own sites have ranked with linkwheels the initial set does do a lot of good very quickly. And just as quickly I "stack" the wheels and broaden the reach of each wheel. The buildup of links that all push "focus" to the hubs (moneypages) just looks more natural and is easier to buildout.

    I've lately been coming to the conclusion that the "magic" of the linkwheel isn't the structure itself, but that it's structure is clearly understandable and much easier for IMers to keep tabs on what they're doing.
     
  3. lemonsauce

    lemonsauce Newbie

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    ^^Good stuff.

    But no, you can't get banned for getting backlinks, that would be ridiculous. For precisely the reason you said: you shouldn't be able to deindex someone else's site. Just don't get ALL your links from social media - diversify, diversify, diversify.
     
  4. justdoit

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    Interesting resource
     
  5. cheek19

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    hello there, I have a problem on doing linkwheels,

    My site got deindexed when I closed the wheel. I made 6 web 2.0 properties. my site had a good ranking on the first place but when I tried to closed the linkwheel my site got deindex.. then I tried to social bookmark and ping i, but nothing happens till now..

    this is my first time to do linkwheel..
    what am I going to do to reindex my site to my keyword?
    any advice

    please help..
    thanks!
     
  6. a0rta

    a0rta Regular Member

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    Linking to a site wouldn't get it deindexed. If so I would have had all my competitors deindexed a long time ago. What happens if one is using bad linkings and too simple and detectable schemes is simple that a lot of ones links won't be taken into count by Google.
     
  7. d3t0x

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    If linkwheels caused de indexing everyone would be talking about it...Sites are only de indexed if the actual site itself is low quality and not worth being spidered.
     
  8. Yukinari84

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    Link wheels don't get sites de-indexed.

    If you are generating too many backlinks in a very short period of time, your site mite do the "Google Dance" or get sandboxed.

    But I have never experienced any type of problem using link wheels or any other modified version of it.
     
  9. supamanjon

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    Wo you can make a LW in 15 minutes? Teach me :p From what i read it takes houors
     
  10. a0rta

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    The sandbox can easily be avoided by deeplinking and by sending links to all ones pages with a slightly majority to ones main domain rather then to just link to the main domain only.

    To get sandboxed is just a matter of getting too many links in too short time in an unatural way.

    If having and old site the risk is less as it most often have external links made in a natural way already and also as Google seems to favor old domains rather then new ones. Most likely this is due to that spammy sites is short lived and often get a lot of links during their short lifetime to fight for the top placements in Google.

    One also have to take into count of what's natural linking for ones niche. In a higly competive niche one have a lot more activity and can therefore link a lot more in shorter time. In a sleepy niche like seasonal niches off season, it's not following any natural pattern to sudeneatly get thousends of fresh incomming links.

    If sending too many links to ones site on the wrong way one can see the sandbox effect and there shouldn't be anything sorting out if the links is comming from a linkwheel or not. so linkwheels can for sure put one in the sandbox as any other linkbuilding.
     
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    A0rta has it spot on... I was able to get over 10k backlinks to my site within a month and not sandboxed at all. How you ask? Deep linking.
     
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  12. Yukinari84

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    Good points.

    Take notes people.
     
  13. cheek19

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    hello.. everyone thanks for your respond..

    so for now I will wait for my site to reindex again.. I will stop to bookmark the 6 web2.0

    can I know what is sandbox?
    will my site reindex again?

    any other advice of what am I goind to do..

    thanks once again for your help ^^
     
  14. a0rta

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    I've actually heard people stating that one can force a site out of the sandbox with the same principles of linking a lot more to ones pages and work well with the deep linking. I am not 100% sure if this really works as I haven't tried it myself but it sure do sounds like it lays in the line with Googles wishes to give the best possible SERP listings.

    Or as one friend of mine put it... If a new blog/site have some awesome info/news or whatever and a big amount of people on the net starts to bookmark that site it do face the risk of getting sandboxed but if people continue folloving the links to that site, the traffic and linking doesn't stop Google will for sure put it out of the sandbox and raise it in the SERPs.

    He stated that he have seen similar things when pretty new sites/blogs have manageds to get a hit with some viral info (news, video or whatever).

    I think myself that this makes sence and if one can simulate linking as if the site had gone viral it might be posible to get out of the sandbox and gain great SERP listings.

    But then... I haven't either seen this myself nor tried it so one have to experiment a bit. If you are in the sandbox I don't think it will do you any harm nor keep you any longer time in the sandbox if continue to build links with even faster speed. Might be a lot of work but worth trying if you can make enough money from your site.
     
  15. Yukinari84

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    I have found that adding fresh content as well as some good quality outbound links to some authority sites will almost always get my sites back to where they were.
     
  16. cheek19

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    thank you aorta and yukinari,

    so I will leave the linkwheels that I've done so far then I will make another linkbuilding like deeplinking getting good quality outbound and inbound links.

    is that right? ^^
     
  17. a0rta

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    Sounds just about it ;)

    Hope you get your site back in the SERPs and pls.. Repost your results here later.
     
  18. biks

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    I still don't understand how the last "spoke" of a link wheel affects every single link in the wheel. Is there some link juice feedback vortex going on that feeds back on itself when you close the loop? Do people think the Google bot will keep chasing it's tail as it goes around each time, compelled to re-index itself over and over again? (and Google hates when that happens?) I just don't get it.

    If the answer is: "it just works", well creating LINKS just work.
     
  19. yasirli

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    totally agree, now on "google caffeine" ,,,much spam will kick our site from g search result. Anybody feel like this?...
     
  20. Yukinari84

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    1. When you close the wheel, it's sort of a sign to Google that you are trying to manipulate your own rankings. It's just like back when blog farms became less effective.

    2. Google is not just Google bot. Google also employs tons of people to sit in front of a PC all day and look at sites and their quality. Whether or not it's Googlebot automatically recognizing the traditional link wheel pattern, or it's a human, it has definitely become less effective than it was before.

    With that said, if you use alternative linking patterns, it works great. It's all about looking "natural". If you appear natural, you will be able to fly under the radar unseen.