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Linkjuice explained...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scipio00, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    ...by somebody else!


    Can we compare three szenarios and speak about the differences?

    A: Moneysite get Link A, Link B, Link C (all three Links pointing directly)

    B: Moneysite get Link A, Link A get Link B and Link C (moneysite has just one Backlink and Tier 1 BL-site has 2 Backlinks)

    C: Moneysite get Link A, Link A get Link B, Link B get Link C (moneysite has just one Backlink. The Tier 1 Backlink has 1 Backlink. And the Tier 2 Backlink has one Backlink)


    Question 1: In which Szenario has moneysite the highest Trustrank?

    Question 2: Which szenario is when the best for linking the site?
    So if i don´t have quality backlinds, do i prefer Szenario C? And if i have no backlinks at all, do i prefer Szenario A?

    Of course we never have to build Pyramids with just three Backlinks, but the Backlinks are standing for a mass of backlinks (so let´s assume 30000 BL instead of 3)!


    Thanks!
     
  2. RaveRandi

    RaveRandi Registered Member

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    webworkshop. n et/pagerank.html
     
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  3. aloidflip

    aloidflip Registered Member

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    That is great explanation, thanks for the info.
     
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    aloidflip Registered Member

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    That is great explanation, thanks for the info.
     
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    That is great explanation, thanks for the info.
     
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    That is great explanation, thanks for the info.
     
  7. cyvex

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    Been looking for something this detailed!! awesome share!
     
  8. BlackCapped

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    Good explanation. Thanks for the info.
     
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  10. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    I don´t get it. The posted Link just show off examples with Tier 1 but it doesn´t show what changes if Tier 2 Links to Tier 1 Links to moneysites. Are you guys able to transfer your knowledge to these example?
     
  11. ChoosenOne

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    WTF the guy just asked some questions. How is it great explanation?
     
  12. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    Is the answer too easy or too difficult?

    Or does my delivery of the question suck? ;)
     
  13. RaveRandi

    RaveRandi Registered Member

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    Okay I'll give you a more indepth explanation then pointing you to an article.

    A. TruskRank has no known algorithm, we can only understand PageRank. Trust rank goes in the lines of, what trusted websites link to you. Like how far away down the chain.

    If you would like to read more about trust any authority head over:

    seowizz(dot)net/2009/08/domain-juice-and-authority(dot)html

    Also, the way you are thinking about is only to build PR.PR is not everything in ranking on serps. It's primary back links. Content, and you could through in a few other back links. Really, many things work you gotta find what's best for you.

    Check out SEO wizz, it helped me understand the most. It showed that Backlink/Anchor Text is the number one prevailing factor. Only in neck to neck situations that other factors come in to play.

    Hope I helped! :)
     
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  14. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    best stuff i red so far about SEO, thanks!
    So in all cases we have probably the same trustrank because it doesn´t have anything to do with it.

    But i still don´t understand why people are building more than 2 tiers of Backlinks.
     
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  15. misseslee

    misseslee Registered Member

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    I just read this explanation..its great...but I have a
    question...some of you might think its dumb..but..then again..im kind new to a lot of this stuff....
    Is it important to get link juice to all your inner pages...
    and if so...how would i do that?
     
  16. ┼blackrat┼

    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Think about it this way:

    Link A gets 30 links B who in turn gets 300 links C(who link to A and B respectively) which in turn gets 3000 links D(who link to A, B and C respectively) and so on, until rss feeds containing the link urls get distributed over 30+ feed aggregators each,

    and then we start talking.
     
  17. misseslee

    misseslee Registered Member

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    so...i think im confused now..
    would it be smart to create rss feeds with all these pages?
    Thanks for your help...
     
  18. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    I don´t understand. Where is the advantage that Link A gets all of the links directly instead of indirectly? (assuming that there is no chance that Link A get sandboxed or similar)
     
  19. GreyWolf

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    @ChoosenOne - I think aloidflip was refering to the page RaveRandi referenced. It's actually a really great explanation for how PR works.

    The other replies RaveRandi made are really good also.
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    @Scipio00 -
    Scipio00,
    Because of how linkjuice flows to create PR, it's actually possible to create a higher cumulative value to your site with the indirect linking but you need to know what your doing for that to happen. It's not as easy to do so now as it was when linkwheels first became popular, and it's more likely today that you'll get about the same amount of linkjuice either way.

    You've actually already mentioned the biggest reason you want to do indirect linking, and answered your own question in your last reply.
    "assuming that there is no chance that Link A get sandboxed or similar"​
    Protecting your moneysite is where the real advantage lies. Either way will be passing the link juice to domain A, but if you continually make all your links to your money site (Link A) then you have more risk of getting penalties. If you make most of your backlinks to Link B, C, D, E, etc. then your spreading the risk around. You still get the linkjuice funneled up to your money site, but if you run into any kind of penalty it's most likely only going to affect one of the sub links.

    For example if you link directly to your money site (Link A) and it gets sandboxed then it's pretty much game over for that website (at least for awhile). But if you link indirectly then maybe you overdo it and Link B gets sandboxed, but your money site should still be OK. If that happens then your moneysite is still getting the linkjuice from the other Links C, D, E, etc.

    It's just a better way to insulate your website, and at the same time create the type of linking that google expects to find for popular sites.
     
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  20. ┼blackrat┼

    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Thanks for having the patience to further explain it to these guys. You seem to have lots of it man. ;)

    Sometimes it´s just tough to breakdown concepts burned to your mind through practice back to theory lol. It gets so simple doing that you forget how hard it was to attain it by thinking the first times. To try and condense all that in simple understandable answers, for any topic really, is something I truly envy and will work on developing.
     
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