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Link pyramid building question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    So if I have built one pyramid using tools such as senuke, AMR and scrapebox and have that setup.

    If I build second/third/4th etc using the same tools and the same links/lists I built the 1st one with would the top pyramid which I'm linking to my money site still push linkjuice when I link it to my money site? or...would the juice be diluted/negligible like it would be if you were blasting the same links x2/3 to the same link since these are all the same links which I was using for my 1st pyramid?
     
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    You will still pass on linkjuice.

    But do consider that you leave a footprint! I would do this:

    Moneysite <-- high PR/quality SB links
    1 tier <-- SB blast blogs with at least PR2
    2 tier <-- SB blast blogs with at lest PR1
    3+ tier <-- Spam the f.. with SB

    All different links. You should be able to scrape some list together.
     
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  3. Ranko Jones

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    Cheers.

    I think my main reason for asking was if I exhausted my lists/software building the 1st pyramid and still hadn't reached number 1 I could just build a 2nd, 3rd, 4th using the same model linking the top tier of each to my money site till I get to the top?

    I'm wondering if starting the whole thing again, making a new pyramid would be worthwhile if I just link the top tiers to my money site for example:
    M
    /\
    P1 P2
    /\ /\
    P3 P4 P5 P6

    I'm wondering if using the same lists and but with new content for AMR and web 2.0s etc. if it would still count to pass juice through each pyramid.

    Doh! diagram didn't come out right but you should get the idea..
     
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    I'm not sure that I fully understand your question.

    But if you ask if it's worth to build a tier2 and more instead of just building a lot of tier1 and then blast them - then would I say yes and no.

    Someone will use the argument that getting to the top is a numbers game. The more links the better adn just blast their money site directly with SB and Xrumer. Others are convinced that quality of the links overrule the numbers game big time.

    The best advice I can give you is to make your own tests. I have a lot of small niche sites, that I use with the primary purpose to test a new linkstrategies. So if these sites get sandboxed or get a penalty, then do I not care. And if a new strategy is a success, then do I know what to do with my clients sites.

    My advice would be:

    Create a new link pyramid:

    $ <-- tier1 <-- tier2

    Use SB blast and article submission for your tiers and buy a Xrumer blast for all your tiers. And then spend some time to get other type of links, like bookmarking, forum profile etc.
     
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  5. Ranko Jones

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    Well my main question is will blasting the other tiers with the same links- i.e. same SB lists and same AMR directory still give those links authority or will the juice be wasted since you already sent those same links to your money site for instance in the case of amr or used the same list when blasting everything else. A bit hard to explain.

    Mainly I'm asking will those same links still carry weight even though you are reusing them throughout the pyramid.
     
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    Sorry to hijack, but with senuke how do I reopen a diagram designer once a campaign as started?
     
  7. BigLarry

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    If I understand you corretly you mean if you do:

    xanga, squidoo, weebly, livejournal pages all to your money page

    is it worth creating new accounts and pages on all the above again and linking them to the same money page.

    I'd suggest yes because some of your web 2 properties will get deleted, some indexed quicker, some with more juice/power etc etc and also because doing so can't do any harm.
     
  8. Chrisss

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    No - your linkjuice will not be wasted.

    Only concern is, that there might be very small risk that G. will notice that the only links that goes into your tiers all end up at your money site.

    I always link to other sites from my $ site to avoid leaving a footprint that G can follow. So when you write an article, then make a few links to other sites as well.

    This is my personal aproach - I'm sure someone would argue that it's waste of time. But we all have our different link strategies. There is also a big difference if you are making a link strategy for your own affiliate site or if you are working for a client. I would never put my client in any risk, but I would take the risk on my own sites.

    Hope that makes sense :)


    Yes.
     
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  9. FuryKyle

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    Thank you so much for this post, totally makes sense, and you can never be too careful these days. Anyway, are you sure your link juice will still remain the same even though you're now actually linking to two tiers of the pyramid instead of one? Wouldn't it be diluted into 50%?
     
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    Very interest your comment, thanks!
     
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    Very basic.

    If you have a website with 10 f0ll0low links then will the linkjuice be split into 1/10 for each link. So yes - you have a valid point.

    But - when we are talking about SB blast then does most blogs have 100+ outgoing links. So it really doesn't matter that much if your part of the linkjuice is 1/100 or 1/101.
     
  12. danhoff

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    Is it bad if i create and link all my tiers on the same day ?
     
  13. wannabie

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    Depends on how many you built and past linking activity
     
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    i can build 20 000 posts to my 80 web20 properties
     
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    This is good then because basically this means- if what ppl are saying is correct, the linkpower you can gain is limited only by how much time you wanna put in and how big you build that badboy.

    I dunno if this is true yet but it will be great if it is and I shall be testing myself. Since I'm pretty much done with the first pyramid apart from regular blasts as usual and other minor housework I'll try building another with the same process and link to either money site or one of the other tiers and see how much it juices it up.

    The thing I really love about blackhat vs. whitehat is that your earning potential is based solely on you (vs. with whitehat they would always be telling me to brown-nose and network with other whitehat losers to hopefully, maybe get in their goodbooks so I can write guest articles and all that crap).
     
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