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Link buying guide for BHW marketplace

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by domainmadness, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. domainmadness

    domainmadness Senior Member

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    I use link building services here constantly and I decided to write a guide for BHW Marketplace. Hopefully this makes finding good services easier for all of us.

    Blog posts and similar services

    1. Stop looking at PR
    PR used to be a good indicator of the value of links, it's not anymore. First of all, there is so many different factors added nowadays, that PR would be only small part of determining value of links, even if it were updated continuously. Now when it's not, it's completely worthless factor. Forget it completely and the sellers will follow.


    2. How to find strong links then?

    Well, it's not that simple anymore, lets see what we could use.


    2.1 Look for Majestic trust flow, which is not that easy to manipulate. General guidelines for myself are: >40 Really good, >30 Strong, >20 Decent and >10 okay. Don't follow these too much, you have to experience yourself. DA/PA have also some value, but are too easy to manipulate so don't put too much value without looking other factors.


    2.2 Is the blog post going to drop off from homepage or stay there permanently. Those posts that drop off after X number of days will most often lose their power. If the sites internal linking structure and quality is good, those will have some power later also. Butusual blog networks here don't have that kind of internal structure and posts are usually quite weak after they fall off. And you will see that in your rankings also - after your links fall of from homepage, so does your moneysite. So be careful if you use links that don't stay permanently in homepage and pay WAY less for these.

    2.2.1 Check if the actual link is found in homepage. I've seen blog post services that say that the posts stay in homepage, but forget to tell that it's only the excerpt so the actual link will not be in homepage at all.


    2.3 External links. What is the limits of external links in homepage, is the front page filled with posts or is there just few.


    2.4 Quality comes with the price. You have to understand, that you can't get both, quality and cheap prices. That's impossible combination. So if you are buying blog posts for $0.99/post, except the quality to be worth $0.99. Don't get put off with monthly payments. With monthly payments sellers can actually offer high quality with 'lower prices'. Also, if you get results, you start making money and the monthly payments are not an issue. If you don't get results, you can always cancel.


    2.5 Security of the network. This is actually quite impossible for you to know, since the seller can't of course tell his exact setup. But if the seller tells they use different IP/Nameserver/CMS/Themes/Whois info, it sounds already pretty good. Some services don't offer any reports which might sound scary, but it's actually better way to handle your network. But it leaves a problem of trust, which you need to determine yourself.


    General tips for all kind of services

    3. What to look for?

    3.1 Sales copy. This is not always that good of factor, but if you see poor spelling, weird superheroes or other awkward graphics, you should proceed carefully. Some of these might have value, but my own personal experience is that usually more superheroes means less quality/value. For me, these don't appear like a professional services, but I've been proven wrong in some cases. Use your own judgement, but simple, clear sales copy that states exactly what you are buying (without they hype and big promises) usually means business.


    3.2 Be careful with so called panda, penguin or hummingbird safe link building. Such thing doesn't really exist, so there's only empty promises and usually services that claims any of these are just to attract those who are new in SEO.


    3.3 Other details. Instead of stating that they are Hummingbird safe (what ever that even means?), you should be looking at uniqueness of the content, drip feed options, how many keywords you can use (or if the seller ads brand/url/generic) or other factors of Penguin and Panda.


    3.4 Look for reviews and comments in the thread. If you see a lot of reviews from new members or members with very low number of posts, avoid the service. That usually means they have achieved those reviews with other ways than offering valuable service and if they have need for that, it tells a lot of their own confidence into their service. Real and honest reviews are sometimes hard to spot, but try to look for reviews that states actual SERP movement in longer period of time than few days.


    3.5 You choose what you buy. After all, most of the services just offer links. It's you who decide how to use those links so plan carefully. Look at your link profile, latest updates and your competitors and decide what you need. There are also link packages in the marketplace which will give you a bit more complete SEO solution, which might be good for you if you are not sure what you need or want.

    3.6 Avoid 'Secret Sauces'. Seller should be able to tell you what he is offering. Usually secret sauces are just there to attract more buyers without offering much value. ( - Duffers5000 - )


    4. What to do yourself?

    4.1 Give suggestions for sellers. If you have ideas how to make service better, contact sellers. They are doing business and most of the time they are happy to hear new ideas or tips how to make theirs services even better.


    4.2 Leave positive reviews! You lose nothing if you report positive SERP movements if you have bought the service. You will boost sellers sales, which encourages him to keep the quality high. It's not like others will come in and you will lose your golden goose. If more people leave real reviews, marketplace will get a lot better.


    4.3 Leave negative reviews! Even more important, if your experiences are bad, don't be afraid to state that in the sales thread. If you didn't get SERP boost, if the links doesn't look good, if the links are not getting indexed - tell about it. Don't stay quiet just because seller offer you something for free or refund. Seller or nobody will punish you for negative review, but by doing that buyers will force sellers to offer valuable services which will be good for you, me, sellers who have good quality services and all the users of BHW!

    4.4 PM the seller before purchasing and ask a question. This way you can clear any doubts you have and also see how is the communications handled by the seller. ( - twilightofidols - )


    Finally
    I'm not really a guy who writes guides, so probably I've forgotten something, gave you wrong information and mislead you - forgive me that. Also, these are just my experiences, others might differ. So don't read like a bible, use common sense. This was anyway my attempt to give back to community and make BHW marketplace better place for all of us.


    If you have any questions, please don't PM me. I'm not going to tell you what service to buy. If you have any questions about buying links in general, I'm more than happy to try to help you in this thread.


    Regards,
    DM
     
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  2. HatArrows

    HatArrows Regular Member

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    If i want to use services like Yahoo answers,Quora answers , what can be similar alternatives of them
     
  3. twilightofidols

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    I'm going to add another one. If everything checks out with a BST this is the last thing I use to decide if I want to purchase. It will actually make or break it for me. If I don't get a response, I won't buy the BST no matter how good the reviews.

    5. PM the seller before purchasing and ask a question.


    This is a good test to see how well things are going to go once you've ordered the service. If they are responsive, and helpful in the pre-sales stage then it's very likely they will be helpful after you purchase. I often see services and have a lot of questions about what they do/don't offer or can/can't do. If you ask a pre-sales question and don't get a response in 24-48 hours don't expect to hear much from the seller after placing the order.
     
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  4. domainmadness

    domainmadness Senior Member

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    Thanks, I'll do that most of the time also. I added your suggestion to the list.
     
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    While I generally agree with what you said but sorry if I disagree on "helpful in the pre-sales stage then it's very likely they will be helpful after you purchase".

    In my experience, 95% of the BST providers are helpful pre-sales and 95% of these providers are awful in after-sales support. When I saw awful, the after-sales support isn't even half how enthusiastic he is in helping me in the issue/s BEFORE I made the purchase. It seems they are just trying hard so that you won't leave a negative review and not go out of their way to really earn their positive review (assuming the work done initially was lousy).
     
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    This is a great contribution to BHW and you are right, we should not be afraid to leave a negative review if the service earned it.
     
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    nice guide bro.
    i'll definetly follow your tips before buying any service
     
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    Superb guide. Should be stickied. Really good information for new SEO buyers.
    Especially the part about quality comes with the price and leaving negative AND positive reviews is a great perspective.

    If I may add something - when looking for quality in a sales thread. Do NOT add value in the thread being old, stickied or have fancy graphics.
    Base it upon the stats (what you get and what it costs) and communication the seller providers.

    Contact the seller and buy a small package to start off with. Then buy more if you are satisfied with the quality/price.
     
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    francis1017 Supreme Member

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    Thanks for this. I will not change my negative posts.
    Anyways what do you advice if someone didn't finished a service (TAT) and suddenly you put a negative comment in his thread. I requested on a refund but he said he will finish the job for 24 hours.

    But I don't want my buffer sites to get blasted for 24 hours.
    What do you advice?
     
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  12. domainmadness

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    Well, how I see it, is that of course you can mention it in your review that TAT was a bit over deadline, but if the service was as promised and you were happy with it - it shouldn't matter that much.
     
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    It depends on you, the buyer. You can obviously claim a refund since he didn't deliver on time. He countered saying he will get it done in 24 hours. You don't want it done in 24 hours so what's your decision?

    Get the refund (which you are entitled to)? Or get the links in the next 24 hours?

    OR, you can tell him you're giving him an extension of time just so he will not build everything in the next 24 hours. That way, everything works best for both.
     
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    Just what I needed at this point as I am looking to buy links for the first time. Never done that before.
     
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    Straight to the Point Tips. I always check Reviews from Reputable members before buying services. Thanks Bud.
     
  16. Lauriat

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    This was useful for me thank you.
     
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    I think this poor bastard just had a stroke ?

    Good guide. Lots of interesting points. Always ask questions. You are buying a service not a goodie bag so you should know exactly what you are getting for your money instead of being suprised. Avoid anything with secret sauce.

     
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    It seems to be a recurring thing.


    Three other identical posts:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/seo-link-building/205324-selling-facebook-accounts-2k-3k-5k-friends-33.html#post6922377
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/679898-does-brads-cpa-redirector-work-blogger.html#post6922370
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/seo-link-building/679649-regal-search-engine-optimization-only-search-engine-optimization-package-you-will-ever-need-rank-free-reviews.html#post6922368
     
  19. domainmadness

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    That's great addition, like I said, I'm sure I forgot many things. I will add this to the original post.
     
  20. john007

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    domainmadness, I found this guide as I followed your review of other services offered here. Good on you! We need more people to express their positive or negative experience with services offered around here. I especially liked one of your negative ones lately...