Link building and change of IP

iliketurtles · Oct 11, 2009

As far as I understand, big ol` Google can find out if the links you`re building comes from the same ip (or something like that). It may not look natural.. So how do I change my ip?

I know how to do the whole ip-config thingy, but is that enough? What about the infamous class C?

SpamHat · Oct 11, 2009

Change your IP?

If you mean change the IP you connect to the internet with then talk to your isp.

If you mean the IP of a site that links to your site, then you obviously can't change their IP address.

What are you on about? Interlinking your sites that are all on the same server?

dvs one · Oct 11, 2009

you would need each site you are linking from to have dedicated IP addresses. it is recommended to try to get different c classes but i dont think its completely necessary. you can try out SEO host but they are expensive. and you can also purchase dedicated IPs for each site from your hosting company for usually about 2$ a month. just request it be completely unique, and have a good reason they might ask why.

_Austin · Oct 11, 2009

I think he's talking about when he's building backlinks, like a linkwheel, and signing up at
the web 2.0 properties. ie. Blogspot, Squidoo, Hubpages

I hear that most people building link wheels don't really bother changing IPs when doing
that because the properties aren't telling the SE spiders the IP of the user that made the
page. It might be safer if you are doing a bunch of accounts at one site so you don't get
banned from the site but that would be the only benefit I can see.

_Austin

iliketurtles · Oct 11, 2009

Hmmm perhaps I should`ve explained a little better.. I`m doing Angelas links, and I read somwhere that Google might notice that all the accounts I create in the different forums comes from the same IP. Or something like that. I dont even know if it`s possible for G to find out that they are all my accounts and somehow slap me around for it, so maybe I should ask that first.. Is it necessary to change IP when building links?

_Austin · Oct 11, 2009

I don't think you need to, there is no way for Google to find out the IP of the creator of the
accounts. The only thing you would need to change IP for is maybe the accounts so you don't
get banned from the places that you're building links at.

_Austin

iliketurtles · Oct 11, 2009

Ok, cool. But I only create one account per forum, so I dont think I`ll get banned. It`s no point in having the same link several places on a forum anyway, is it? I mean, if I create like 5 different accounts and put a link in each one of them, off course with different anchor and url, will I get juice from all of them? I thought I only get juice from one, even if I link til subdomains?

SpamHat · Oct 11, 2009

More links = more goodness, but yeah there is diminishing returns from many links from the same site.

A handful per domain would be a good time/return balance.

iliketurtles · Oct 12, 2009

Ok. What about urls/anchors? All different?

Silversten · Oct 12, 2009

I seriously think that worrying about the IPs you are building links from is going waaaaay to far.

Google is not god.

SpamHat · Oct 12, 2009

iliketurtles said:
Ok. What about urls/anchors? All different?

Well, for each page you have - you should try to rank it for a couple of good keywords and a bunch of related long tails, so there are your keywords. Do some KW research and group them in with what pages you want to rank.

On each target site, get a handful of links from each, all for different anchor text's on any individual page, but still using the same keywords that you want to rank for, obviously.

Then get links to THOSE links, and shit ranks

minute80 · Oct 12, 2009

Yes there is a way for Google to have a hunch. Answers lies in Google Analytics. I can assume that Google tracks high volume forums and Web 2.0 sites, and then using a graph mathematics, correlates the changes in content with specific ip. You also need to be aware of honeypots, fake vulnerable sites, which are used only to catch malevolent behaviour. In my opinion they can only track bots for sure, but you never know.

iliketurtles · Oct 13, 2009

SpamHat said:
On each target site, get a handful of links from each, all for different anchor text's on any individual page, but still using the same keywords that you want to rank for, obviously.

Then get links to THOSE links, and shit ranks

Hate to be slow, but can you explain that once more?

Get links FROM target site? You mean urls from different pages of my site? And use different anchors when I create links with these urls, WITH my main keyword in the key sentence? Correct so far?

But links to those links? So if I create an account on some forum and put the link to my site in there, I should build links to my profile in those forums?

SpamHat · Oct 13, 2009

iliketurtles said:
Hate to be slow, but can you explain that once more?

Get links FROM target site? You mean urls from different pages of my site? And use different anchors when I create links with these urls, WITH my main keyword in the key sentence? Correct so far?

But links to those links? So if I create an account on some forum and put the link to my site in there, I should build links to my profile in those forums?

Here's a quick diagram...

"More Links" refers to a bunch of crappy links, like dir submits, trackbacks, guestbooks, comments etc.

It works because the sites like Hubpages etc are already good sites so just a bit of juice and the links are worth much more to your site. It also means that you shield yourself from the torrent of shitty links and turn them into nice clean ones

iliketurtles · Oct 13, 2009

Ah, great! Thanks a lot.

I think I`ve got it now, but one last thing: all the articles, they must be unique, right?

SpamHat · Oct 13, 2009

^^ No

I take ONE article and submit it all over the fucking place when I'm doing this.

All the web 2.0 places, then an isnare blast and my own article submission software.

Same content, same title - and it works fine. IMO it's not worth the effort to spin the articles when you can just make more and blast them everywhere anyway.

You still get lots-o-juice from everything as you're getting link to the links, which is the key.

Good luck

sawangan · Oct 13, 2009

^ so duplicate content is okay ?

SpamHat · Oct 14, 2009

Duplicate content is more than ok.

It's fucking great.

It's only part of the picture - just get links to your links and you're set.

I almost always do variations of this and have no problems.

sawangan · Oct 14, 2009

many believe that google will bring some punishment for duplicate content, or is it not true?
because i am afraid that it will affect the effectiveness of the linkwheel when a few part of the wheel is not indexed by google.

muchacho · Oct 14, 2009

sawangan said:
many believe that google will bring some punishment for duplicate content, or is it not true?
because i am afraid that it will affect the effectiveness of the linkwheel when a few part of the wheel is not indexed by google.

That depends how your 'link wheel' is set up. Something I'm not even sure of myself yet.

One analogy was a tree. The trunk is your main site (money site) and the branches are the web 2.0 properties each linking to your site. But as the branches don't link up, if one branch dies (say punishment for duplicate content), then the link juice is still alive by the rest of the branches.

In the above example further up, and using this analogy, you're then linking to each of these branches to make them stronger branches

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