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Let's Talk Youtube Tricks and Channel "Toys and Me"

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by Catm6, May 10, 2017.

  1. Catm6

    Catm6 Junior Member

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    Hey everyone. My family and I run a kids channel. You all know me as the guy who bitches about a channel not growing for the last 2.5 years now. We invested in just about everything there is. Nothing seemed to work. Now I am working with the owners of a site to try to crack the code and wanted to see if anyone has any input. My recent thread containing links to the site has been removed because obviously someone reported it as spamming, which is quite unfair to struggling youtube creators like myself, so I am removing the links in this new post. If you need to know details feel free to message me.

    So let's talk about the youtube channel toys and me, which started in April 2015, which is 2 months AFTER we started ours. The channel now has 5 million subs. We have 21k. AWFUL.

    What are we doing wrong? Well the answer is simple. TOys and Me has fake views, fake comments, and fake likes on EVERY posted video right out of the gate. Day one 150k plus, day two 300k plus, day 3 300k plus, and then a drop if the video doesn't catch, or a drop and then sustained views if it does.

    Rinse and repeat.

    What did we do wrong? Simple. We couldn't AFFORD to repeat the trick. It appears to be a one million view buy per video as well as, and this is important, AT LEAST 6k likes, 1k dislikes, and 800+ comments.

    And then there is TRENDING.

    I will be updating this thread with important info of tests we run so maybe it can help someone out who was in my shoes or is in my shoes.

    Lesson learned? There is no such thing as organically growing a youtube channel. WE DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK. Channel was all but dead. All that SEO bs you see is just BS. Last week I saw a video in American trending list which didn't even have keywords AT ALL!!! NOT ONE! A single sentence description and a two word title. Yet somehow it was in TRENDING in America of all things! Oh and 160 million views on day one MAGICALLY. Yea right.

    Youtube is all about tricks. Lesson learned.

    SIDENOTE: Youtube updates seemed to knock the view services down and continue to do so. Search for Fun Toyz Collector channel just for fun. You will notice a DRAMATIC drop in their view count per video. You ask how is that possible. 9 million subs and yet 100k views per video lately? Their view provider is DOWN. No tricks= no views (So far, for us the site I am working with is working just fine with a bit of slow down to 200k views per day temporarily because of high demand on servers being that everyone else is down.)

    Why? Well simple. Checking Toys and Me stats you can see clearly NO VIEWS are sub driven. 1k per video if they are lucky. Each new video you post has it's own life cycle. It either benefits from the TRICK, or stagnates. The trick MUST be done on each new video.
     
  2. MisterF

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    Well I admire you, your thread was deleted as it had links to your channel and you post a new thread and put the channel name in the thread title.....
     
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  3. Catm6

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    My thread was deleted because someone considered it spam because the obviously didn't read the intention of the post. They saw 3 links to a service I am using and that was enough. The post never contained my channel link, nor does this one. It does contain the name of a youtube channel that I am following that is clearly abusing the system and making a killing doing it. I have been wondering for a long time HOW a channel that opened AFTER us with LESS VIDEOS was blowing up to 5 million subs. It was literally making me sick. So now I am trying to form a group to figure out the numbers of views it takes to do what they do. I posted more info in my last thread regarding what I need to figure out exactly, but it was removed, and it is late now so I don't feel like rewriting it all. I have done alot of the leg work on my own. I was reaching out to the community here for a bit more help so we can all benefit from it.
     
  4. Speedlearner

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    I remember you sir so you mean every new video you publish you boost it with big views on day it is release? is this what you mean by now u using service every now and then regarding to your channels to make it to the trending? how about subscribers you buy too?
     
  5. korshen

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    Your topic and your story is very interesting. I spent more than 3 years for my channels and I got some results (more than 1mil. organic subscribers) The real reason why I have such subscribers and views is that this market was without competitors and my target audience is from Russia, Ukraine and others CIS countries. Right now I see a lot of competitors which are boosting their videos with some fake views and they have a good results as well. I need your advice and maybe I can give you some tricks that I've already know.
     
  6. Catm6

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    Hey guys. Back from a ban. A mod here told me I was advertising by putting links in my posts. When I replied back that I was only sharing info of stuff I've learned he told me to stop being silly. To which I replied that if he had read any of my posts ever he would see that I've reached out to the community here several times and many people have asked me for updates on what is going on. I told him I was sharing relevant info for noobs like me or guys who have the same issues we do. He told me I wasn't sharing anything lol. Then he hit me with a violation for abusing a mod.

    Anyway. That's that.

    Back to the topic.

    I've noticed that the channels who grow very big have a similar chart. A big pop in the initial day of upload. Then a large increase from being in trending. Then a view free all to where their initial boost puts them.

    What I can't figure out is the type of views they use. What is the source. I know of one but it is pretty expensive. Can get into trending every time though. Can it be that? Or some other inexpensive trick?
     
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    Why are you trying to argue and reason with the mods here? Did you gain anything of value by responding back to the mods? It doesn't matter if you are right or if they are wrong. It's their rules and they can enforce them any way they like so you better get on their good side if you want to get the best out of this forum. It's the same with Youtube, it's Google's platform so you can complain how it's not fair that someone else has success all you want but it's not going to help your channel in any way. If this is the same kind of mindset you apply to your Youtube channel then what seems to be holding you back is not Google or Youtube or that other channel but it's your own stubbornness.

    Your answer is not simple, it's convenient.
     
  8. Catm6

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    My arguing with one mod is not the topic of this conversation. I was only letting people know why I haven't replied to this post.

    Please stay on topic and away from unnecessary insults. If you have something to contribute we would all love your input.
     
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    I'm speaking my mind and being frank about it. You've got thin skin if you felt insulted by my post. Who's "we"? You and the mods? It might not be a topic of this conversation but it might be relevant to your situation with your youtube channel. Clearly, since you've had posts deleted and you were banned on this forum, you are not playing the game properly, regardless of your intent. Maybe the same thing is happening to your channel on Youtube. That other channel certainly seems to know how to play the game according to the rules laid out by Google and they are reaping the benefits of it while you are getting banned on this forum. What is the point of being right at the expense of being left behind?

    You're wasting a lot of cognitive resources making assumptions on what others did just to realize that their methods are out of your means. You want input but you speak only of what you think others did. I'm assuming your channel is about toy reviews? You've never actually explicitly stated that fact in this topic, I had to infer it from the other channels you mentioned. This is my input, concentrate on what you can control. If you feel your channel is a dead end, give it up and focus your energy on something more productive. If you want to continue, focus on improving your content and be open to criticism regardless of intentions.

    What's done is done, you can't change the past two and a half years. If you must compare your channel to another, maybe compare it with a channel that is closer in size to yours. Currently, you have 21K subs and you're comparing yourself to channels that have millions of subscribers, doing so can be very discouraging and can lead to frustration because the gap only seems to widen no matter what you do. Maybe compare yourself with similar channels that have around 50K-500K subscribers. You might even discover new techniques and methods that are more applicable to your situation since you are closer in scale to them.

    And sometimes all you can do is pray because luck does play a factor.
     
  10. Catm6

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    In an effort to remain on topic I will not reply to the majority of that post as it is completely irrelevant.

    We have a family channel with attention to detail. My daughter is the host and she does it very well. Those who know us will vouch for that. Thumbnails and SEO are all on point. Despite the small size, we have every toy company sending us products because of the quality of our work.

    The reason for this thread was to discover something we are missing. This is in regards to trending a video for a more affordable price.

    If your best advice is to say my channel is a dead end, do something else, then you have nothing to contribute to this post so I ask again that you please refrain from posting irrelevant thoughts.

    There is no luck on YouTube. There is only tactic. If the correct method is used you can hit every video big again and again.

    Has anyone tried to trend a video successfully?
     
  11. Catm6

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    You may ask how I know toys and me is tricking the system. I have been following closely. When they release a video sometimes the likes outnumber the views. This is a known sign of faking views and engagement. They also have a huge engagement with very low views. Consistently 200k views within 13 hours with 6k likes already and 1k dislikes. Comments around 600 to 800. You can also follow their analytic charts straight from the videos to see the initial boost. These are not normal numbers for this niche or video type. A bad baby video will never generate 800 natural comments. Kids generally dont comment to begin with. The numbers don't add up. They are clearly doing something.
     
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    There is luck in life and last time I checked youtube is a part of life and not the other way around.

    My best advice was actually for you to stop comparing yourself to much larger channels. I specifically said "if you feel like its a dead end, give it up". Only you can answer that question. That line just resonated with you the most. I based what I wrote on the following line of your op post

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    Of course they are doing something, everyone is doing something but what works for them might not work for you. How much time have you invested studying them and what have you gained from it? How does them cheating the system directly affect you? Maybe you could have started a new channel in a new niche while still maintaining your original channel instead of obsessing over the success of others. Think about it, if you're going to use the same illicit tactics as them, then you are also competing with them for the same type of attention from Youtube and you'll just get crushed because of the size difference which is exactly what has been happening. If you are unwilling or unable to use illicit tactics, then why are you studying up on them in the first place?

    Also, the opinions of toy companies and people you know on the content of your videos can be helpful but remember that they are not your intended audience and they have their own motives and intentions for saying what they are saying.
     
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    They spend more money than you do. You said yourself you know of some expensive services that they might be using. They probably are. If the number of views and subs correlates to profit then pay for them using the expensive services.

    Pop stars aren't famous for talent alone.
     
  14. Catm6

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    I agree. My reason for posting was to figure out if anyone has had success getting videos into trending using a technique that is less expensive. What I figured out is that search traffic is not good for millions of views. It is very low. I can rank just about every keyword I use in the top ten. Traffic is just not there. So I was left wondering where then do the millions come from. Answer? Trending. The only way.

    This is not the answer to my channel alone but to any type of channel. If you want to gain an audience you have to trend. Period.

    I wish I could pay for it to be honest but I just don't have that kind of money.
     
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    I personally have never seen any of these types of videos on trending. If this is the main objective of the toy channels, then wouldn't there be multiple videos trending every day from this niche?
     
  16. Catm6

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    Oh they do for sure. Even their last upload was on trending in USA and in UK just last night. They mainly do UK trending. From what I know USA is nearly triple the cost. I have seen every new release in trending in UK.

    Toy niche there are videos trending all the time. I saw a lady opening jars of Play-Doh trending in literally every country just last week. It had like 36 million views in one day lol.

    Bad baby videos seem to always be in trending. You probably just never paid attention since you don't watch this kind of video. They definitely always trend when the channel knows what to do.
     
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    Well kids content is not for poor people you know. Many ppl in my country are in this content.
    You exchange your money to gain subs, you pay for ads, fake views and commend to get your videos in trending.
    It usually takes a year or half of a year before you can make profit from it.
     
  18. Catm6

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    Hi. Thank you for your reply. Would you kindly message me privately? I would like to know more. I don't mind spending money as long as I know what it's going for. THe problem so far is that I have spent without results as I am spending blindly trying to figure out a "formula" for success. If you know something that you would kindly share with me here or in private I would greatly appreciate it.
     
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    Nah mate you don't need anything to build organic subs other than patience and some thought. Youtube is like the retarded cousin of google and does some of the strangest shit you can possibly imagine... but if you understand what it is doing then its all easy.
    The only thing i'd even consider doing when growing a youtube channel is either buying a slightly aged account (maybe 8 years, gives you an edge i recon) or a social account that has some organic followers.
    Buying views *can* work but you need the right niche and the right type of video...
     
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    The hardest part for you is to find a Quality Views seller. Its hard to reach trending with the average smmpannels out here .
     
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