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Let me dispel an Xrumer backlink myth for you.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by GooglesMostWanted, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    PRIVATE FORUM BACKLINK MYTH


    Follow these steps and you will see what I mean. Most people think since the profile is private, the backlink does not get indexed/seen by Google... Here's how you dispel that myth

    1. Find a forum which requires you to sign up and be logged into the forum to be able to see a thread / view a member profile.

    2. Find a thread or profile that you cannot access without being logged in.

    3. Take that URL and search that URL in Google.

    4. Now most likely the link is already indexed so you should select the "Cached" option in Google.

    5. Now you are able to actually view the thread / profile at the time it was indexed.

    There you go... 5 steps to dispel the myth that private forum profiles are worthless because Google cannot index/view it.

    :jester:



     
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  2. marco1_79

    marco1_79 Registered Member

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    I think it depends on forum configuration.
    Sometimes bot have access to private profiles but not always
     
  3. PlanetSEO

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    profile links do get indexed, and more than that those are the best backlinks created by Xrumer since those ain't consider as spam, i don't know who you meant by saying most people but this is a known fact, i don't think that you told us any news.

    but thanks for the efforts mate
     
  4. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    I've been in this Xrumer / SEO game for over a year and I barely got the tip from some other people. I thought I'd make a thread and share it with everyone exactly how they can see the myth of Google not seeing private forum profile links.

    Thanks for your feedback though!
     
  5. mudbutt

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    seriously? its not that they dont ever get indexed by google, its that the majority of them DONT get indexed (without additional indexing efforts). seo 101..
     
  6. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    The problem is when Xrumer noobs ( myself included ) become confused and tell themselves that the private forums are useless when in fact they do have value.
     
  7. PlanetSEO

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    well im using xrumer for almost 2 years now, and you can see the profile links are well known. and even lately people who buy xrumer services ask specifically for profile links.
    its pretty damn known but i must say that you describe it in a way that people can understand why profile links are so good.

    so thanks for that
     
  8. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

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    You are simply incorrect and your statement misleads.

    Google can reach a page and index it (whether it is a profile page or any other kind of page) if it finds a link to it and the robots rules allow it to index it. Otherwise it doesn't. Some webmasters will allow Google to crawl private areas of the forums/sites. Sometimes (most times) they won't.

    Even if a profile is public, it is still not guaranteed to get indexed naturally. Unless you actually make posts on the forum so that google follows the username link to your profile page, chances to get indexed are slim. Why? Because in order for Google to find a link to your profile page, it would have to crawl the forum while your username is listed in the "latest registered members" panel on homepage. If there is no such panel, there is no link whatsoever to your profile.

    Besides from that, if you use same profile description on all profiles or a very short, one line description, even if it does find the page, it will not index it. The amount of "noise" on the page will surpass the size of the description, making it a duplicate on that domain, or because it is identical to so many other pages Google will not have a reason to index it.

    Best way to build profile pages is to actually add a well spun description of 200-400 words and actually make a few posts on the forum. Then you can optionally build links to that profile page. However, profile links are not intended as quality links but as volume links. Their role is to increase your backlinks IP diversity so your domain trust increases, not to pass massive link juice. For serious link juice, there are better link building methods.
     
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  9. PlanetSEO

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    so if i tell you that i dont use any description or anything like it and just put my site url in the profile and still get indexed and 40% of the profile links i build from the blast are indexed what you have to say about that? (sometimes its take more time for them to get indexed)

    p.s i'm not sure if its related but of course that if im blasting with xrumer and its creating a profile link so ofcourse its also posting im not sure how much this is helping google to find my profile links.
     
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  10. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    The question comes down to....

    Does the forum platform allow Google to crawl the robots.txt automatically once the forum owner decides to make the forum private or does the forum owner have to manually add these rules to the robots.txt?

    If it is automatic, then there is a much higher chance that the websites are getting indexed / passing link juice.

    I'm glad someones challenging me because if it wasn't for me bringing this topic up, I wouldn't be learning / others wouldn't be learning.

    I want to know exactly how these forums work so I can manipulate them to the best of my abilities.

    I personally don't have any experience being a forum owner so I am a bit confused as to exactly HOW everything is working. I do know for a fact though that the bulk private forum profiles you receive from Xrumer blasts ARE passing link juice. The question is how much link juice is being passed and how many are actually passing the juice.
     
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  11. Bross

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    It's exactly like forums distribute content to search engines and disallow viewing if not logged in.
     
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    After reading all this I have a question for those of you that know more about this me. Would a profile link from this site give you any juice ? Think about it.
     
  13. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    Useless post... at least tell us why instead of telling us to think about it.....
     
  14. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    Are you speaking about BHW or private forums in general?
     
  15. terryuk

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    I was going to say, it's a lot of work for a profile backlink.... blast and forget
     
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  16. madoctopus

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    If you're telling me you get 40% indexed naturally without building any links to them, I simply don't believe you. Yeah, if you build links to them, they will get indexed. However the link juice coming from them will be minimal if you don't have a bit of content. Why? Because it can statistically be determined that if there's no content on a page, only links, there's nothing useful there. Yes, you can get them indexed, yes they will help, no they will not help you rank high for top tier keywords. How do I know? I have a site with 2000 links. 95% of them are d0f0llow. Maybe 50 of them are from d0f0llow blog comments. About 50 more are from profiles on forums where i have posts. 50 more from forum signatures (d0f0llow). I have a few high-PR backlinks from top authority sites (PR7 domain, PR5 linking page). My site is PR 3. One of my competitors that is 2 positions below me has 40,000 links. Most of them are scrapebox spam comments, forum spam/xrumer. It has several links from very strong sites (much more than me) but n0f0llow. He probably has less than 2000 d0f0llow links. The thing is, he was ranking 2 spots below me when he had 7000 links, now that he has 40,000 it's in the same place. You draw the conclusions.

    Another reason why I don't build such low quality links to my sites is that I personally can detect spammy links with a high degree of accuracy (80%). Google can do it with probably 99% accuracy. There is a patent and a research paper (not from Google though) on how to detect spam links using graph theory. Now, I know Google can detect them. I know they don't put much value on them, though they don't ignore them. I also know that every time google does an algorithm change I see a bunch of people complaining that their rankings dropped and they are loosing traffic. Why? Because every time google improves the algorithm it devalues low quality sites that rely mostly on link spam to grow. During the 3 major algorithm changes that my oldest site went through, my rankings increased across all keywords. I have an old site and I have done absolutely no link building or any kind of SEO on it in the past 1.5 years, yet the traffic doubles each year (even though I don't get a lot of links each year).

    When you grow your backlinks using link spamming (low quality links) you basically shoot yourself in the foot for the future. You may not agree with this and I don't care. It is what I believe based on the observations I have made over the past 3 years. Strong, quality sites with quality links grow bigger and bigger, low quality sites get buried until they almost disappear.

    Does that mean that scrapebox blasts and xrumer blasts are bad or useless. I don't know. They have a tiny place in my link building strategy, but it doesn't mean they are always bad.

    Ranking a site for one low-competition or medium-competition keyword within 4-5 months interval is trivial. Being the market leader and the top authority site in that market in 3-5 years from now is a different story.
     
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  17. cooldude7

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    damn, i must say, u have very great knowledge and making good money, and i m agree with u,
    thanks for sharing this knowledge.
    best of luck.
     
  18. Shenanigans

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    Just wanted to say, you are absolutely correct about this.
     
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  19. senior

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    All I can say is that googbot sure spends a bunch of time on my forums profile pages and interestingly on the member profile and activity on my wpmu sites. Just Saying.
     
  20. PlanetSEO

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    sorry for the late respond, but i don't know other guys strategy for their xrumer blasts, for me xrumer is only to increase the backlinks count, so im telling you they do get indexed im not sure how much they help you get ranked higher but they do helping me to increase my backlinks count which is the main reason for using xrumer for me at least.

    im ranking my sites in more quality way then just blasting like crazy and wait to see results, for me xrumer is pretty much the final step in my SEO strategy and this last step continues for all the time because im using it ONLY to increase the backlinks count so if 40% of my profile links to get indexed which they does its only to have more backlinks. that's it.

    P.S i agree with you that if you add some description and build links to those profiles they will get indexed and even help you to get higher ranking.

    also i must say that i do agree with you that low quality links are worthless, the last year i was starting to build links manually by checking my competitors backlinks strength, i did a few tests and i managed to outrank my competitors with only 10-15 links so i do agree with you on this one.

    xrumer/scrapeboard/scrapebox its bullshit and worthless atleast nowadays and its 100% worthless i quit using xrumer and automated posters tool's for almost a year now and i have to say that i have better results, i see a lot of surprised people that blasted like crazy each day and after a month they have no results and they wonder whats going on, i guess that they should read this thread to find all the answers they looking for
     
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