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Legality of Wayback Restores for PBNs?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Vladamir, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. Vladamir

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    Hey guys,

    I was wondering about this alot I have done a few wayback restores and there is sometimes some really personal websites out there like im currently thinking about restoring this one which is a charity. What are the legalities of these restores, is there any way that the company can sue me for using all their original content?

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    the worst case is they contact your hosting provider with a notice
     
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    in .de doing copyright infringement shit is REALLY expensive.
     
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    It always gives me the chills but a friend of mine who has 300 pbns, and waybacked over 75 percent of them said hes never had an issue, only once he resold one of his sites back to original owner for 20 times what he paid for it.

    But still scared the crap out of me wanted to know if anyone had any negative experiences or stayed away from it
     
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    Who the fuck is going to try and sue you, dude? Across jurisdiction, for a potential copyright infringement?
     
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    My uncles site about loans in Panama just got served by a lawyer from his same city in toronto he even knows the lawyer unless he took down 3 pages of content he poached from other guys site. I didnt think this crap really happened until i saw it happen. So yes there may be someone who tries.
     
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    For some people its a hobby to sue people so i wouldn't be suprised if it actually happens more than people think.
     
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    Get DMCA ignore anonymous hosting.. that way noone can track you..
     
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    It's illegal to restore websites and you would be surprised about former owners bitching about that.

    I've had 2 copyright lawyer infringement notices so far and around 3 angry emails from owners. So yeh, this can actually happen. But then again, nobody will sue you without first notifying you, so screw that and keep restoring if you feel like it.

    However I had some big websites in the past where restoring was really out of the question and could lead to some nasty issues. Some former (quite famous) artist sites and so on.
     
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    just take the site down if they get too hot but first try to sell it back to the owner I got lucky once and made some good dollars selling a site back to the previous owner
     
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    I restored a poker strategy website and the previous owner emailed me saying if I was going to use his content that I at least change the site to no longer use his name. Oops!
     
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    In general, from a strictly legal point of view: Copyright and publishing are two totally different stories. Once you create content, it's automatically copyrighted. If you publish it, then delete it, you still have the copyright. You don't abandon your copyright by this.
     
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    The vast majority won't even go back to check the site since they dropped the domains in the first place, especially if they dropped them some time ago.

    However, if you have lots of PBNs with wayback restores, there is a decent chance over time you will run into someone demanding copyright infringement. Just take it down. You can even offer to sell the site back to them if you want.
     
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    in .de. if oyu get those "notices", it usually 200-300 YOU PAY for the enganged attourney of the other party.
    PLUS there is some fee for YOUR own attourney to write "back".
    and,if you do that again, there is also some fine you pay legally which is set up in those "Notices":

    so yea. I stay hell away from using that shit.

    like 10 years ago I embeded (ALLOWED) so youtube video in a site and got that "notice".

    today, I would surely taken that azzhole to the court and kick his shity "#newland" ass to hell.

    I mean, at some point there will be some dudes trying to sew you to get their domain back..
    or send you expensive "notices" you should pay(cause they ordered the attourney..)
    even if it has been dropped for years.
    depends, how valuable it is. still THAT case, there is no legal chance to get it back. once dropped, done. glad there is one working "#newland" law here.

    but all coypright stuff. stay away
     
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    I don't know much about copyright but I think it depends on whether or not the old owner can prove that he has a copyright.

    You can ask archive.org to completely remove your website from the Wayback is archive after you've restored it.

    If the original owner has some sort of proof besides the Wayback Archive, you may have to take it down.

    If he has no other evidence that the content is his (besides Wayback), it'll be hard for him to prove it.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the worst that will happen is the hosting provider will be contacted and you will be asked to take down the site.
     
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    Ok general consensus here is its illegal, but unless im in .de they cant really do anything to me, restore but remove any names or contact details to avoid pissing people off
     
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    It's not working like that at all. There has not been any court action and you are not bound to pay any damages to anyone, unless it's a part of the deal you agree too. If you do not agree with someone asking for money, because you owned copyrighted/trademarked domain, which is in most cases also utter bullshit, feel free to tell them to sue you officially and ask court to sort out the damages. 99% of the people won't even touch you after that. It's just "tough" talk that most people go with, because they don't want any trouble. You are pretty much getting blackmailed if you agree to that. There are no factual damages whatsoever and they can go eat shit.

    And good luck convincing court that someone owned "your" domain that you haven't been using at all, haven't taken any actual commercial advantage and his/her profit from it was 0. Court will order you to cease it at best and won't even order you to pay the law fees, because, in the first place, this would never even get before the court. Court will order to cease the illegal action, meaning that you will transfer the domain, and that's about it.

    Don't be scared shitless from copyright laws.